Pond fish

[sedorusc]

There is a place out by Montezuma that has nice KOI all pond bred and hardy if you have a 8x10 liner you are not going to be wintering these fish in that pond unless it is 4Ft deep.

Where at in montezuma? I grew up there.

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[Spartan]

I have a floating deicer, brand new and never used, that I'll give you a deal on if you decide you're going to overwinter them outside.
Also I am going to try to raise this spring's spawn. If all goes well, I will have alot of koi to pass on. I'll post something when the time comes.

 

[Gary Majchrzak]

fyi

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John @ MO runs the kewlest pond fishes I've ever seen.
They're tropicals that grow to enormous proportions outside.
(Must overwinter them indoors!)

 

[jfl14609]

I was in there yesterday and he didnt have much sounded like he sold a lott that day sparten tossed ya a pm

 

[Flanders]

my dad brought over a few of his huge shubunkins the other day. now my pond is full of activity. as a total pond noob, I am pretty excited to watch it develop this summer!

anyone have a bog garden? I am working on one for carnivorous plants.

 

[EllieSuz]

I had a nice little pond in Wisconsin before I moved to Rochester. The climate is very similar, although Milwaukee gets considerably colder than here. I wintered my fish in the pond. Their metabolism slows down and they lay on the bottom all winter, as long as there is a hole in the ice to offer oxygen exchange. You just have to do some research to figure out how deep the pond needs to be so it doesn't freeze solid.

 

[tent boy]

I have a pond about 14' x 10' and is 30" deep at the deepest point. Have had it for 8 years. Even in the coldest winters the ice is only 10" deep at the most. The fish just hang out down there at the bottom. A heron that comes by is my biggest problem. He is always hungry.

 

[Conesus_Kid]

Your pond doesn't need to be 4' deep to overwinter fish.

I have a little 90 gallon hard plastic pond that's maybe 18" deep at the most.

I just leave a submersible pump running all year to keep a hole open in the pond for gas exchange. I've done it for years and haven't lost any fish.

 

[jfl14609]

Con thats exactly what I normally do with my small pond i normally add a small heater though. I had a great conversation with John at marine oasis the other day and he agrees that frost line was only like 8 inches in this area. He told be about a mid winter dig he had to do to replace a sign post and it was about 8 inches. my new pond is going to be about 2.5 foot to be safe about 9 foot in diameter. Anyone want to help dig haha. I am looking for stuff if anyone has anything laying around filters waterfalls etc I really am looking for fish i want to kind of use my smaller pond as a qt while I dig

 

[Spartan]

JFL

here's a couple pics of the fish you're interested in, about 14-15". Just to remind you this is a smooth scaled (doitsu) koi. The type is called goshiki. Bred by Koshiji.

 

[shawna1972]

Very nice!

 

[shawna1972]

Oh and majeskis in east aurora has some nice ones. also on military road in buffalo ( can't remember the name ) ? They also sell pond supplies and fish.

 

[mr86mister]

This thread has got me thinking. I want to start my first outdoor pond. I have extra pumps and heaters laying around so why not. I'm thinking maybe a something small under 100 gallons to start out with. I plan on putting it right out front next to my deck. I just want a nice outdoor water feature. Anyone know any great links for first timers?

 

[MarkKlier]

Very rarely do we freeze below 24". Frost line determination is very similar to flood plane calculation, based on historical values. Used for worse case events for building codes.
Soil type, proximity to trees, and houses, probably influence this number.
Jeff on my land the depth of freezing on the Westside of the knoll is always deeper then the East. They are both much deeper then at my house in Gates.

 

[jfl14609]

Thanks Mark I think I have decided to go with 24 in depth and use a de - icer in the winter this will allow me to get a little smaller of a liner and save a few dollars and not sacrifice the actual dimensions of the pond. Mark How large is your little one at your house from what I remember its very small but very deep as well

 

[MarkKlier]

Three feet deep about 6 by 4 feet. MK

 

[Flanders]

This thread has got me thinking. I want to start my first outdoor pond. I have extra pumps and heaters laying around so why not. I'm thinking maybe a something small under 100 gallons to start out with. I plan on putting it right out front next to my deck. I just want a nice outdoor water feature. Anyone know any great links for first timers?

I checked every available pond and water gardening book out of the library and both of my favorites were by Helen Nash. The Complete Pond Builder was one of them. I found some pond building forums but most of them were so far beyond what I was attempting, which is a dirt simple pond with no filtration.

I would advise really paying attention to various edging techniques because they seem to make all the difference in the end product. even with a pond this small there are a lot of possibilities - building it onto the deck in a raised construction, bog edging for a more natural look, etc. I'm already looking forward to redoing mine (almost).

 

[Flanders]

also - best tip I found was that old carpet works great for underlay under the liner. watch by the side of the road.

 

[Spartan]

A few other tips:
-dig sheer walls not slopes, this is a heron deterrent and also minimizes jumping risk
-do include some type of egress (steps, etc) for pets or kids in case of accidental entry, the liner when algae covered is extremely slick
-gently slope the bottom though toward the center
-have a centered bottom drain feed to your filter, this is more work initially but will save thousands of hours (and $) later
-dont fill the bottom with gravel, this is a pain to clean and will trap detritus - and you WILL have pea soup for water in no time
-build large as you can, just like a reef you never end up saying I wish I had a smaller pond
-think carefully about filtration (hints: surface skimmer, UV) dont think you're just digging a hole the ground and nature will take care of it...

 

[jfl14609]

Spartan any pics of your pond? the weather Keeps us from enjoying them outside might as well enjoy some here