Problem with Rod Onyx...does anyone know.
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Amphiprion
Premium Member
Facial pitting...hmm. I have seen it before, but when I saw it, it either went away on its own or stayed that way. I couldn't tell you what caused it or how to stop/reverse it, though--sorry.
COreefer
Premium Member
I noticed something similar on the male last week, but it cleared up. Last week it appeared both of their faces were peeling...it isn't anything like brookynella like I have ever seen, and these gray spots today has me totally stumped. Does anyone think it is the haddoni causing this?? They have been hosting to it for 2 weeks or so.
cschweitzer
New member
Maybe lymphocystis (close on the spelling, may not be exact).
http://rareclownfish.com/forums/showthread.php?t=273
http://rareclownfish.com/forums/showthread.php?t=273
COreefer
Premium Member
The first pic was an unusual pose for her...so not much gaping going on.
Phil, if in fact it is anemone stings, should the clown adjust? I do know the anemone is becommin more potent...I has to move something near it and it grabbed my hand and would release for nearly 15 minutes.
Phil, if in fact it is anemone stings, should the clown adjust? I do know the anemone is becommin more potent...I has to move something near it and it grabbed my hand and would release for nearly 15 minutes.
cschweitzer
New member
Anemone stings should not occur on clownfish...maybe some atlantic types, but clowns should be immune to nematocysts. If they don't have an immunity, there is something much more wrong with your clown than an anemone sting. Besides, I would think it would be more affected than just the head...could be some type of neurological system damage(like HLLE, but not that).
phender
Active member
Immunity to anemone stings is an aquired thing. Percs are not natural hosts to haddoni carpets and haddonis have been known to eat percula and ocellaris clowns. The strength of a haddoni's sting is certainly variable depending on health and other conditions. To me it seems reasonable that the slime layer(or whatever accounts for the immunity, it still seems to be up in the air) may have been enough for the acclimating anemone but not thick enough as the anemone has become more potent. Since clowns don't have a lot of scales on their head perhaps the protection is weaker there. As I watch my clowns, it is not unusual for them to trigger a nematocyst now and then.
That still doesn't mean it is an anemone sting.
COreefer, were there any threads associated with the spots when you first noticed them? That is usually how anemone stings first present themselves. The the strings go away but the spots stay. Usually the spots go away in a couple days too, but sometimes the stung tissue dies and the fish has some healing to do.
If things followed that progression with your male then I think it may be from the anemone and the clowns will make the adjustment. If you are not seeing that, then I may be full of p**p.
COreefer
Premium Member
That's too radical considering I seriously doubt it is an external on my TR fish...not to mention, if it were external parasites, there is no ID on them.
Well, I haven't noticed any strings, but that doesn't mean anything. I have a feeling it is the anemone...the reason is, that I never saw this in my fish until a few days after they began to host to the anemone. Something else...I noticed today they are not as aggressive with the anemone as usual...they seem reluctant to come in contact with it. When they first began to host the anemone wasn't very sticky, but it is getting more adhesive daily it seems. Hopefully they will build an immunity to this one, and not get eaten.
Last thing...my female, who had lost all of her color in an H. Crispa, colored up very quickly after hosting to this one...IO also feel as though the way clowns bury their heads in the anemone is making the head area more susceptible...it may not be the anemone, but I certainly know it is not a nutrient deficiency, and I'm 80% it is not an external parasite. I have other clowns in other tanks, feed the same foods and do not have these problems.
As the day has drawn along, observing the and Phil's suggestion, it makes sense it is the anemone, but the coming days will be the final arbiter.
SVXH6
New member
i Had a female clown(occelaris) that had this problem as well. i noticed it when she started to host in an H. Magnifica(4.5 yrs old before hosting anything) when she previously had not ever been in an anemone before. after being in the anemone for a month or two (after it getting pretty bad) it went away. i would have to agree with Phender on this.
redvipe2010
In Memoriam
You may want to send Rod a PM.
I would remove the clowns and place them in a cycled quarantine tank.
Assuming the clown/anemone interaction is the issue, why risk them becoming a meal?
Assuming the clown has a deficiency/infection/etc, it would be well served in a safe dietary controlled space.
Best of luck.
Assuming the clown/anemone interaction is the issue, why risk them becoming a meal?
Assuming the clown has a deficiency/infection/etc, it would be well served in a safe dietary controlled space.
Best of luck.
Bones18
In Memoriam
First I would dose prime into your system. This will help build up a slime coat on the fish.
Second I would do a freshwater dip. If your interested in a method that has never failed me and has not killed a fish let me know. I can send you a link to a older post.
Third I would treat your food with vita-chem. This adds elements to your food to make it more nutricious.
Also I would consider viewing the fish at Night to see where she sleeps and see if anything is attacking it in some form.
Second I would do a freshwater dip. If your interested in a method that has never failed me and has not killed a fish let me know. I can send you a link to a older post.
Third I would treat your food with vita-chem. This adds elements to your food to make it more nutricious.
Also I would consider viewing the fish at Night to see where she sleeps and see if anything is attacking it in some form.
COreefer
Premium Member
Unfortunately this is not an option for me right now as my Qt is occupied at the moment...if in fact is is an issue of the interaction with the anemone, I would like to see if they can build an immunity to the anemone. I feel like if they were going to be eaten then it would have occured by now. I'm not removing the haddoni, and I am not going to get rid of my clowns...all of the fish in my tank are healthy, and the water quality is much better in my display than the QT. On top of this, what is your suggestion if the malady were to clear up in QT? My 37 is occupied by two clowns already...
In the end I guess its an issue of getting an id on the problem before I take action...if its the anemone hopefully they will build immunity to it, and again, only my female is affected right now.
GSM...my lights haven't come on yet, so I'll give you an update when they do. I can still see some of the gray spots on the female though.
In my experience, waiting for the problem to fully present itself in a community environment is the higher risk path.
Any guess on what triggered the condition is just that, a guess. In such a situation, I err on the side of caution in any way possible. The alternative is to experiment.
If I removed them and the fish cleared up for 6 weeks without medication, I would not return them to the previous environment.
My opinion is formed by too many unintended personal experiments meeting with poor results and is just that, my opinion.
May they both be 100% at lights on today and everyday hereafter.
