Quite a Clown/Anemone Corner

Kris, didn't mean to come off so negative, but hey you asked for names, I just added my opinions-didn't give much advise. I myself have been a hobbyist for quite awhile, and I'll stand by my opinion. (Largest tank was 3,000 gallons) The fact that your RBTA is moving all over the place and recessing into a rock is what I've always thought was a sure sign a nem is not happy. I am not one to post a no don't do that when someone proudly shows off their new blue carpet in a 30 gallon tank with a school of fish. If people want to push the limits so be it, in fact I DO hope you can post pictures a year from now of all those nems doing wonderfully in the same tank. However, it is well known that most giant carpet anemones do not make it to their second anniversary in an aquarium, whereas they can live for decades, maybe more in the ocean. (sounds like this is your second giant carpet? Hopefully, someday, giant carpets and ritteri will be as easy to keep as Haddon's and BTAs. I noticed your tag line of 400 gallons of death and destruction, I guess that is just a joke. Anyway, I'll stop posting on this thread now, and seriously, please do share your successes on this thread and keep us posted.
 
If other nems were wandering, I'd see that as a flag, but not the BTA as they are known to do that.
Maybe a spot w/ less direct light.
I would just make sure diff species aren't touching and I'd be sure to run carbon.
 
@hetero It's ironic that you say you aren't trying to be negative but you pulled every negative conotation from my post and sig line and brought them up here. Please go away.

Thanks for all the the input everyone. None of my BTA clones move just this newer one. Hasnt found his spot yet.
 
It looks good, but...

I do have a couple of concerns. I have been keeping Haddonis for 9+ years, and have noticed that they don't do well in tanks with LTAs, granted mine is a smaller system, but something to keep an eye on.

Also, hope that you are able to keep both the Gigantae and Haddonis in the same tank/area. Both have such different flow requirements that I think it will be difficult.

As for your comment to "Heterodonut" to go away -- s/he has said nothing against the UA, and has every right to post his/her comments. I too am concerned about you keeping that many different species in the same tank -- and I have been keeping anemones for the past 15 years.
 
Thanks for your input Todd.

Why would a Haddoni have trouble in a tank with an LTA? We both know the chemical warfare take has never been substantiated beyond some anecdotal observations.

Your take on the flow requirement is legitimate, altho the flow patterns in that area of the tank favor flow from the CL for the Gigantae, due to the placement of the OM 4way outputs contained in the rockwork. Giving a surge of flow every rotation.

My last successful tank had not less than four specie of anemone housed in it for over two years with three spawning pair of clownfish in a 215g. you can find info on that tank here in this forum a few years ago. Unfortunately Hurrican Rita killed that tank.

I'm aware of the UA and its constraints. No one is required to listen to me or go away, I was sharing some pictures with the group and didn't expect that kind of reception. It's weird here in cyberworld you give advice in this forum for five years or so and are still open to criticisms of people who don't know you or your experience.

No hard feelings at all but I'm not sure I'll update these pictures tbh. Sorry to have offended anyone.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12933547#post12933547 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by kris4647

To the most important items.........
Chris of course is right thats A. thiellei with three Luecokranos babies. The largest of the babies following the Thiellei around like a puppy dog and the other babies live in the Gigantae. What a pairing that might turn into eh?
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yeah i don't know. i think it would be more interesting (if they mate), to try and pair the Thiellei with a "mild" snowflake or teardrop occellaris.
 
Kris, the tank looks great. The LTA's are awesome. I don't know how they could look any better than they do. The Gigantea is beautiful. It looks like a new introduction, but that's to be expected. To expect a new Gigantea to sprawl out and open wide is an unrealistic expectation. If I saw a Gigantea in my LFS like that, I would snatch it up in a heart beat. The Haddoni's are simply to small in the pic for any of us to pass judgement as far as their health is concerned. They definitely don't appear bleached, though. The bubble tips are just being bubble tips. IMHO they move a little more than other host species. I don't think it's a sign that the anemone is in trouble. It will probably find a spot it likes and settle in for a while. Six months from now it may decide to move again. Who know? Even the Ephyllia looks great.

FWIW, I have been keeping two LTA's in the same system with a Haddoni for several years now without issue. I have recently added a Gigantea to the system and all seems well. Total water volume is under 100gl.

I plan on setting up a system much like yours very soon. All of the anemones I have now will go into a 250, including my Magnifica. I also plan on purchasing several more host anemones. I have been mixing anemone species for many years and have never had a problem I could conclusively contribute to aleopathy.
 
Aquatic animals vertebrates and invertebrates definitely do give off chemicals that can affect other animals. I had to disconnect a 50 gallon tank from my old system while trying to pair up two A. bicinctus clowns. For some strange reason these two fish hated each other and I finally gave up on them. The strange thing was that while their tank was connected to the system, my breeding pair of percs began to fight with each other! When I disconnected the bicinctus tank and changed the carbon the mated percs stopped the aggression. I no longer have tanks on a system and use a 50 gallon tank for each pair.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12936813#post12936813 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by kris4647
Thanks for your input Todd.

No hard feelings at all but I'm not sure I'll update these pictures tbh. Sorry to have offended anyone.
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Please don't punish us by not posting any updated pics. Some people just think they know it all. Your system to me is the Holy Grail of clown tanks. I think we would all love to worship it with some more pics. My plan was to pair the thiellei with a leuc also. Who cares if they breed. Just having such a pair would be amazing. Knowing you you'll get them to breed some how.
 
that A. thiellei is so nice. if A. ocellaris is as suspected in the mix a mating of the two would produce a few more thiellei, no?
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12936813#post12936813 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by kris4647
Thanks for your input Todd.

Why would a Haddoni have trouble in a tank with an LTA? We both know the chemical warfare take has never been substantiated beyond some anecdotal observations.

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Dont Dismiss it immediately, it is the most likely reason.

do you really not believe that these corals in our tanks can not produce noxious chemicals?

i guess carbon and purigen in the sump would make sure that doesnt become an issue.
 
I can only dismiss what my experience tells me doesn't hold up to experimentation. The notion that a particular anemone produces a noxious chemical that inhibits other anemones has never been substantiated.

In fact if you look back under my user name in this very forum you will see my other tank. I kept 2 Magnifica's 2 Haddoni's 1 Sebae's and 3 BTA for around two years. Unfortunately the power outage from Rita killed my tank along with three breeding pairs of clownfish [215g tank].

I don't mind talking about the concept, but I'd rather tell you about the fish in the pictures as they are some of the most rare clowns around.

Marc I agree with your speculation although so little is known about Theili it's hard to tell. BL has proly done some research that may expand on that.

As far as why I chose that pairing. All I can tell you is that all those fish became available around the same time. Theili is a once in a lifetime oppurtunity and I have loved Luec's since I bought my first one from Morgan at Inland in the mid nineties.

There is definitely pairing behaviour going on between the largest Luec and the Theili so we shall see.

Did I mention that theres a Magnifica in the tank too :).
 
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I will, I was going to last night but my laptop battery died.

I fed everything last night. They all ate very well. No time to feed the clones or the other BTA that the GSM's live in though.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12948401#post12948401 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by marc price
that A. thiellei is so nice. if A. ocellaris is as suspected in the mix a mating of the two would produce a few more thiellei, no?
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The latest theory I believe is a A. thiellei is a cross between A. ocellaris & A. perideraion. Some still insist it's not hybrid. A. thiellei is so rare there isn't even a pic of it in Wilkerson's book. I also thought it was a cross of A. ocellaris & A. sandaracinos. But A. sandaracinos isn't found around the Island of Cebu where A. thiellei is suppose to originate.


Kris email me some full sized pics when you get a chance. The color difference is amazing between the leuc & thiellei. Some people insist their the same cross. I'm sure you can agree their body shapes are quite different. There definetly isn't any A. chrysopterus in A. thiellei. I had this fish for about three years& it seems to be one of the smaller clowns. The leucs are how old in the pic Kris for a comparison??
 
Thisis such a neat mix of nem's and unique clowns. I just love the A. thiellei and would love to get one to pair with my misbar percula (since theory is that they may be an offspring of a percula.

Where do you even find these guys? Do they all look similar to yours, or do patterns vary? And...since they are rare, what would one usuallyexpect to pay for one?

Thanks
 
Kris,
How are the specimens above doing... and you know I don't give a rat's petutti about the anemones or tangs. :D
 
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