Rant about Petrolum and global warming.

[Salty Bginners]

Ok first and foremost some important stuff. ALL (every) ideas, comments, speculations, ect. are my own personal OPINIONS and should never be taken as fact. SECONDLY I am open to comments and critisim, as long as the critics are open to comments and critisim on their replys as well. 3rd NO FLAMING!!! I dont mind you critising my rant, just dont flame me or anyone else, or I will have my doggies do dirty things to your rosebushes and car tires .
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Now to the rant!

I was reading in a magazine, whoes name shall not be mentioned, that petrolum was a major contributer to green house gasses and global warming. It kind of annoied me as this is a very highly respected magizine in the eyes of the scientfic community. Of course they gave the usual solutions: hydro-electric, solar, wind-power, necular energy, ect. ect. It also mentioned the usual drawbacks of each. So I came up with my own theory on how to do away with Petrolum and the emitions from burning Petrolum. One word answer: Diseal engines. STOP! I know what your thinking, "Isnt Deisel gas....PETROLUM? (or to be politically correct a petrolum by-product)" Simple answer, yes, but you have yet to read on! My theory is to do away with your gas-guzzeling SUV, Mercedies, Corvettes, and the Ford T-whatever sitting under the tarp in your garadge. Replace these with DEISEL counterparts. Like trucks! (I suppose the auto manufactures could make a car with a desil engine...but whatever) See, now hered the cool part. After eating lunch at your local fast-food restraunt, ask for the fry-oil they throw away at the end of the day. Run it through coffee filters, and pour it in the tank of your shiney new disel truck. And there ya go. No gas, no carbon fuel, less emitions!

Now for the downside! ATM veggie oil is free from burger joints, but if people start doing this en-mass they will probally figure out that they can make a profit off of it. *venvisions McDonalds with gas-type pumps out frontt, pumping filtered, recycled veggie oil into diesl trucks*

There ya go. My rant. Feel free to comment, as long as you follow my guidelines, as I dont wish to get peoples feelings hurt, and possibly get us all in trouble with the Mods...

 

[mcox33]

Shane stop trying to be Jason. Not possible and Jason has probably forgotten more than you will ever know. Just because times have changed and kids don't learn the same things or the same way kids did when Jason was a Kid.


Sorry to be the one to tell ya Shane but they already make deisel cars. I know I had one. Best little car I ever had. Top Goff Mountian at 45 in 4th gear from a dead stop at the light at the bottom of the hill. (light wasn't there then) anyway for what it is worth I would never have put cooking oil in that car. Why bother the deisel was less than gas back then (it has been a few years now) and I could fill it up once a month and go anywhere I wanted at any time. In other words for about 20 bucks a month(max) I could go visit my parents and go to the LFS everyday. Now It cost more than that in gas just to go to the local grocery store. Anyway Just so you know.

 

[Surgeonfish1]

Just a thought, personally....it is difficult to take you serious with a post that has 50 spelling errors.

 

[mcox33]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8081051#post8081051 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Surgeonfish1
Just a thought, personally....it is difficult to take you serious with a post that has 50 spelling errors.

:thumbsup:

 

[H.crispa]

Be nice guys! No one is trying to be anyone else here. Yes, it is a good idea to proofread posts for mistakes if you want to be really anal, but many of the spelling errors are simply typos. In any case, this is an informal forum and the information is the most important part. I've seen some really atrocious grammar in this forum but I see no point in making an issue out of it.

I personally don't even believe in global warming. Last year we had a really bad hurricane season. What did the enviro-whacko crowd blame it on? Global warming. This year we have yet to experience a single hurricane making landfall in the USA-- not one! We are at the end of the hurricane season and I am beginning to doubt that we will at this point. What are the enviro-whackos going to blame this on???? You guessed it! Global warming.

Global warming is the scapegoat on which everything is blamed these days. Too hot outside? Global warming! Too COLD outside! Global warming! Too little rain, too much rain, snow, no snow, earthquake, flood, tsunami, hail storm, Pee-Wee Herman gets caught pleasuring himself in a porno theater??? Global warming!!

As a matter of fact, I am absolutely convinced that the reason my 16 year old dog went deaf is because of global warming. I suspect that the starter went out on my 1993 Subaru because of global warming.... either that or George Bush did something to make it go out. I think I saw him messing with it in the WalMart parking lot the other day but he ran away before I got there.

SUVs also have taken a bad rap. A modern gas engine puts out something like 1/23rd of the emissions of one made back in the 70s and early 80s. When I was at the Rainbow gathering in Cranberry Glades last year, I noticed a lot of hippies from all over the country traveling in old school busses, which are HORRIBLY inefficient and pump out obscene quantities of pollutants and probably belched out more toxins going from California to WV than a modern SUV does in it's entire useful life. I thought the hippies were the ones who were SO concerned and enlightened about the environment! What's up with that? Also, has anyone noticed that when an SUV crashes, they always say on the news that "an SUV went out of control and killed a puppy". Did the SUV take control of itself and crash despite the best efforts of the driver or did the DRIVER lose control and crash??? Are SUVs becoming sentient beings??? WOW! Talk about artificial intelligence!

Corvettes?? My mom's Vette gets better gas milage than my Subaru!

As for deisel, a quick Google search provides ample evidence that diesel is lower in CO, CO2, and hydrocarbons than gasoline. Diesel is higher in particulate emmissions-- hence the black smoke of diesel exhaust, but particulate matter settles out and does not mix with the air. So, it appears that diesel is actually cleaner to burn. Also, diesel is more efficient. However, the characteristics of a diesel engine do not lend themselves to a performance vehicle. They produce lots of torque, but not as much horsepower, and they are slower-revving. It is not the place of the government to mandate engine choice in vehicles. Period. Is bio-diesel the solution? Partially perhaps. Burning french fry oil in a diesel? Again, a partial solution. The answer to our dependency on petrolium and the supposed bad environmental consequenses of it's use is to be found in technology and use of alternative fuels and better efficiency etc. etc. etc. The solution is a combination of a lot of things and I fully support exploration of those innovations! If global warming exists or does not exist, burning cleaner, cheaper fuels certainly CAN'T HURT! Let's do it!

As all this applies to wild reefs, it is my personal opinion that nitrogen and phosphorus based agricultural run off is killing more reefs then warmer water temps by a factor of ten. The reason this stuff is reaching the ocean is the destruction of the wetlands-- the "filter system" of the rivers that dump into the sea. In addition, the wetlands offer additional benefits in terms of storm surge and prevention of hurricane flood damage disasters-- but that is another topic.

Happy reefing!

 

[Brock Fluharty]

Shane,

That is a good idea, but I have seen news reports about "your" idea many times. Not to put you down, or call you a plageurist (sp?), but maybe you saw that article a while back, and now it came back into your head as your idea? Also, I would be willing to bet that if you walked into McDonalds and asked them for their used veggie oil, they would probably say no. It is good though, that you are concerned about the environment, as we all should be. As Ron has said, global warming is what is causing the world's reefs to die out, although several of these reefs seem to be "adapting" to the warmer water, and the said reefs are bouncing back from a near wipe-out.

Brock

BTW, in case you hadn't noticed Surgeonfish1, Shane, and I, are KIDS. Kids, believe it or not, make mistakes. When kids get excited, we tend to rush thru things, and don't really read back and check all of the spelling...

 

[Brock Fluharty]

H. crispa,

The wetlands are being destroyed BECAUSE of Global Warming...

 

[Salty Bginners]

Its not about the desil cars..(although ive never seen one myself) its more about the fact that I was fighting Insomnia, saw an article in a mag, and desided to say something about it....

It was 1:30 AM for petes sake. Of course theres errors! I was tired!

Jason....I want you to know that was me in the parcking lot screwing around with your vehichle. (I was testing out my halloween costume. And I totally agree that it is only a partial "fix" .

Anyway, I could care less, because I probally wont be around when the universe collapses from humanitys mess-ups

 

[phljess]

I doubt the Universe will collapse because of human errors, probably only our own planet. And at that, it would only be a brief correction that will be replaced by some other life form once our species has eradicated itself.

Besides, if we all started running automobiles off of vegetable oils wouldn't that cause its own problems. I am sure their would be emmissions from burning the biodiesel. Just remember that new technologies bring new problems. Shoot everyone would probably be running around with some real acne problems for one thing. Have you ever seen what happens to people's skin that have been running a deep fat fryer all day:lol:

 

[phljess]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8083388#post8083388 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by H.crispa


I personally don't even believe in global warming. Last year we had a really bad hurricane season. What did the enviro-whacko crowd blame it on? Global warming. This year we have yet to experience a single hurricane making landfall in the USA-- not one! We are at the end of the hurricane season and I am beginning to doubt that we will at this point. What are the enviro-whackos going to blame this on???? You guessed it! Global warming.

Global warming is the scapegoat on which everything is blamed these days. Too hot outside? Global warming! Too COLD outside! Global warming! Too little rain, too much rain, snow, no snow, earthquake, flood, tsunami, hail storm, Pee-Wee Herman gets caught pleasuring himself in a porno theater??? Global warming!!



Global Warming is not describing events that happened last year and comparing them to this year. It is describing a change in climate, which unlike weather happens over a long period of time. There is a major difference between describing one year to another than looking at a climate change. When examining climate you must look back at least fifty to one hundred years to see if there truly is a change.

From data that has been collected, there seems to be a true change in climate of about +1 to 2 degrees over the last 100 years if I recall correctly. Is it caused by emissions? I do not know. However, I do believe dumping excess amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere has to do something. I remember reading an article last year about the increase of CO2 ppm in the atmosphere, it was astounding how much it has increased in only a short period of time, (like a three year period). It is estimated to increase at a much faster rate over the next few years as China and India become industrialized.

 

[Brock Fluharty]

Hahaha!

 

[Brock Fluharty]

The haha was for the acne problem thing Phil, lol.

 

[mcox33]

Okay the holes in the atmosphere are caused by the space missions that have blasted their way through (these openings don't heal) The Government are the culprits we are the scapegoats. These holes are also the cause (if any) of the global warming if it indeed does exist. Most likely it is that as the world turns on it's axis it tilts alittle more each year which puts a different part of the world closer to the sun. Therefore we see gradual climate changes. These changes will continue until something puts the earth back on the axis points it started out on. No such thing as global warming. More like global shifting. Meaning the equator isn't really where it use to be. It has moved.

JMO,FWIW

 

[Brock Fluharty]

*claps*

 

[phljess]

Mary, I believe what you are referring to is the change of the maganetic poles of the Earth but I could be wrong, this has been happening since its creation.

 

[mcox33]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8085878#post8085878 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by phljess
Mary, I believe what you are referring to is the change of the maganetic poles of the Earth but I could be wrong, this has been happening since its creation.

Exactly my point. It would have happened what ever species had been living on the earth at this point in time. Then added to by the space missions which may or may not have speeded things up a bit.

 

[LtPiper]

Okay. Normally I stear far and wide away from these threads because I belive the whole global warming thing is a a big crock of crap..... yes I own an hybrid but I have it because of the gas saving not because of it's lower emmisions ect ect ect not gonna go down that road. When a single volcano can spew out more emissions in a day than an entire contries output for a decade explain to me just exactly how we are doing all this damage?

No lets not go down that road. what I wanna know is where the h*** this quote came from and what the heck is it supposed to mean?????? I would like to see any artical anywhere that makes the space program a contributor to the natural shift in the magnetic poles of the earth?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8086026#post8086026 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mcox33
Exactly my point. It would have happened what ever species had been living on the earth at this point in time. Then added to by the space missions which may or may not have speeded things up a bit.

Ugh now you've done and gone made me wade in on this..... what next.

 

[Sk8r]

I believe it was a joke.

 

[Aquayne_wv]

The first diesel engine presented at the Worlds Fair ( yr forgotten) ran on peanut oil.
If you want a green car, VW Turbo deisels have the lowest emissions and highest mileage. There are multiple sources of diesel fuel. French fry oil is not free. It must be processed before use. A source that was developed in the 70’s was to recycle used car tires. The end products were, steel, carbon black, and a low grade diesel fuel. The problem with all these ideas is that they all produce CO2. That is the greenhouse gas. Hydrogen is the fuel of the future. BUT the same thing that happened in the 70’s will happen again. The oil producing countries will lower the cost of oil when alternative energies are close to a reality and cut the guts out of all the effort. People cannot remember very long. I remember the energy crisis of the 70’s. Same players, same complaints, same alternatives. Then I saw gas go under a dollar a gallon in ’99 and Poof out comes the Hummer. I drive a Honda Civic that gets 40 miles per gallon. I dare you to find an American car that does that. I wish the US would take the technological leadership and make a real green car, but I guess as long as a family of 6 can live in their Hummer it will not happen.

Wayne

 

[Aquayne_wv]

BTW since when does spelling count on a discussion board?

My favorite trick is to open "Word" and type my message then cut and paste it after spell checking.