reef safe ich treatment emergency!

[Randall_James]

I treated the tank with NSF for 7 days (I know how you feel about the "reef safe" treatments but the positive feedback about the product impressed me). I have one Percula Clown in a 10gal QT with Copper right now.

So if you are using the magic stuff NSF, why are you still using copper on the clown?

Not sure "Whos" positive feedback you are referring to but there is no more proof that this $50 a bottle cure all does anymore than adding a pint of vodka to the tank. (oops vodka does have some benefits, my bad...) taco sauce then.

Maybe we can convince Steven to continue on with the Ich experiments when he is done with the garlic and try this stuff.

I am still curious why the multiple treatments.

At any rate, the way I see this, if the stuff was really all that great, they could give it away to several hundred users, wait for the glowing reviews and then make their money on the sales.

The market for an effective "Reef Safe" cure could likely make a person moderately successful.

 

[jarhed]

I did not say that NSF is "magic", I said I used it. My fingers are still crossed. Either way, there is no way for me to judge the effectiveness with fish that did not show symptoms to begin with. The positive feedback I got right here on RC, and the feedback from the folks on the NSF site. Granted, the ones on the site are a given, it IS a business after all. Either way, I'm not afraid to try something when my needs require it.

The reason I'm using copper on the clown is because I just got it from someone and I have no idea what it has. Assuming the NSF worked perfectly, if the clown has ich, then I'd reinfest the tank. Just trying to be careful. Cant put copper in the reef.

As far as your opinion on how they should market it, perhaps you may want to contact them and sell them your idea. Maybe every new company should try that method? Or perhaps they are a little more versed on marketing than you and I and have found an effective method? Could it be that I missed the free buckets of IO giveaways when they started?

 

[Icedawg4563]

WOW I'm sorry guys! I guess the Fish Fairy likes me because after a year and a half in the hobby, I have yet to get ich. I have been bad about Quarantining, but I broke down an old tank and have all the QT necessities now so I am not pushin my luck anymore
Once again I'm sorry for your problems with Ich, My battle is with hair algea so thats enough for now.

 

[NSF]

At any rate, the way I see this, if the stuff was really all that great, they could give it away to several hundred users, wait for the glowing reviews and then make their money on the sales.

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Randall,

At MACNA we handed out $11,500 worth of product! We did the same thing at IMAC in Chicago. We didn't try to sell a single bottle to anyone.

I am including a copy of an order from a user of our product. Take a look at the picture. They recieved a free sample at MACNA, they tried it, they liked it, they bought more. If it doesn't show up in the thread, feel free to email me, and I will email it to anyone.
http://www.nosickfish.com/advertising/order.gif
No Sick Fish

 

[Steven Pro]

As far as I know, none of the manufacturers of any 'reef-safe' treatment have yet to publish data showing that their products work or for that matter that they really are safe for everything that is in a mature reef display! Some don't even tell you what is in their product! I just completed one experiment testing some of these treatments on Xenia in a controlled setting and showed that one of these that claimed to be "safe for all corals" did in fact kill the Xenia while a second one severely damaged the Xenia! I presented my findings at the D.C. MACNA and submitted it for publication to Reefkeeping. Until these products can first pass the test of whether or not they are truly safe and effective, I cannot recommend them.

As to your particular situation, just because you can't see the white spots doesn't mean they are not there. They could simply be too small to see or in the gills where you can't see them or only large enough to see for the last several hours of their lifecycle on the fish and you miss it or who knows.

There is an aquarium myth that ich is always present. And, there is just enough truth to that statement to make it dangerous. If you are militant about quarantine (like every public aquarium, aquaculture facility, breeder, etc. is) you can have a tank without this parasite. But, if you are haphazard with quarantine and never truly rid yourself of the infestation by using unproven, ineffective cures, you could certainly have a tank with this parasite at low levels simply waiting for the opportunity (like a power outage, big swing in temperature, or one of the other know things to trigger outbreaks) to kill everything.

 

[jarhed]

Thanks Steven!

So, basically they could be continuing to ride on the fish in the first stage or second stage, while not destroying the fish?

Man, those little buggers are MEAN!

:smokin:

Off to find a decent fish trap. I guess I'll try to find a way to get the rest of the fish out and into the QT. Anyone have any tips on grabbing a six-line and Goby? I think the Chromis are sufficiently stupid enough to get into my homemade trap.

 

[Asuran]

i just had a recent out break of ich myself... have a spare 30G that i used for a hospital tank... losing the battle right now... its really depressing...

garlic i find really gets the fish to eat food

but copper treatment for tangs are a "no no" right? due to their delicate systems?

 

[v8maro]

I used kick-ich, and that stuff did NOT work. I then treated with cupramine in a QT, and then they all died, and no, I did not over-dose, they were just too far gone =(

 

[ostrow]

Trickman: did you have any luck with that gel-tek stuff? Did the fish eat it? Did you try the focus? I'm thinking of using metranidazole powder with the gel-tek that is unmedicated, then soaking it in garlic. Not sure that'll work though.

 

[drharmonnd]

What about adding fresh garlic? Crushed and placed in with food. Any thoughts against doing this in regards to fish tolerating this? Fish breath could be an issue.

 

[EmergencyDpt]

I had an ich outbreak and lost two fish. I dosed with fresh garlic, for a week but the ich wouldn't go away and the house stunk like a pizzaria. Then I used metrondizole. About that time I noticed that my uv sterlizer had crapped out on me so I replaced it with a turbo twist, the biggest they make. No more ich. I think the outbreak coinsided with the original sterizers demise. So either replacing the sterilzer or dosing with metronadizol or both killed the evil things...for now. Garlic, I don't think it really helped.

 

[wayne in norway]

If I was clever enough to make a cure for every known fish diesease, or at least the vast majority, I think I'd try to make

NoSickPeople

Cures cancer, AIDS and rheumatism.

I tihnk there's a lot more money there, but somehow it just doesn't seem credible.

So I'll stick to QT thanks

 

[MCary]

I had a purple and a hippo tang get a pretty good case of Ich a few days after they arrived. I was a no QT idiot and they were put in the display tank. I set up a 29 for a hospital and have a sponge filter running in my sump for just such an occation but the fish were very active and eating well and I was concerned that attempts to catch them and transferring them to another tank would stress them and make the Ich worse for them. I fed some minced garlic to them right out of the frig and all the fish actually chomped it up. Fox face loves the stuff. Now I'm not so gullible as to believe that garlic has healing powers. I really just wanted an appetite stimulant so they would contiune to eat. And even if a myth, it couldn't hurt.

Anyway, by now the fish have shown significant improvement and are still active and eating. I monitored water quality, tempertaure and diet closely. I believe that keeping them healthy and stress free that their natural immunity fought off the infestation.

So the question is, if I had bought NoSickFish and put it in the tank, I surely would have experianced the same result. So how would I know if it was the medication that cured them?

Mike

 

[Randall_James]

I had a fish with an ich outbreak and my porch light burned out, I replaced it with a floodlight and the ich went away....

Inspired by the UV sterilizer .......... and just as proven effective.

MCary put it very well actually, and I am afraid that is the case with about 99.999% of all claimed cures. They are impossible to verify or replicate.

 

[jarhed]

I had a fish with an ich outbreak and my porch light burned out, I replaced it with a floodlight and the ich went away....

 

[pappadow]

I have been battling ick for a few weeks now. I was using kick ick for a full treatment cycle 14 days, and there were NO benefits. The ick got worse and 2 fish died.
Now I am trying No Sick Fish's stuff. Been dosing for a week, no changes. Except the fish are getting sicker, now my percs are about to die.
I started using them both together this morning. I figure it can't hurt, I'm beginning to doubt there are any active ingredients in either of these products.
Probably just nicely packaged, expensive bottles of water.

 

[mmoore0803]

If you are still contemplating using this stuff, check out this link for a better idea of who and what this company is.....aout page 3 or 4 it gets interesting (and not in a good way)

http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=637569&perpage=25&pagenumber=1

 

[dorothyk]

Hey guys, i'm the one who started this string.. i tried 'NoSickFish' and $48 later and used as directed, only the Ick was doing well.

based on my experience, it was a waste of time and $$. i went back to the Cuppermine.

still searching for the miracle cure.

 

[carrera mike]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=5860655#post5860655 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by CDGreenEyes
This thread seemed like a great place to jump onto my quarantine soapbox.

This is all a moot point if you have a quarantine tank. Cryp is just too easy to cure with copper sulfate. It works every time, its tried and true and its fast. ... But it only works if there are no invertebrates present.

You can spend $50 on new medications that you hope might work and you can spend hundreds on a UV (which may not work) or you could set up a quarantine for $50 or less and use copper which will work virtually every time. The the quarantine tank is yours forever. Use it over and over. Future problems cost virtually nothing to solve.

If you quarantine ALL of your new fish for six weeks in your inexpensive quarantine tank prior to introduction into the display tank, you would not see these problems in the display tank and therefore not have to solve them.

Stepping down off soapbox.[/Q]

Well said! :thumbsup:

 

[olaf]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=5847843#post5847843 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jarhed
Thanks jmack,

Ordering some now.

I'll have this in reserve for use if the NoSickFish doesnt work. I'm pretty impressed by the crew at NSF. I hadnt received my order and emailed them. They called me yesterday and reshipped another package. He was very concerned that I hadnt gotten the medicine yet and wanted to make sure I got to treat my fish.

Seriously, nobody has ever called me after I emailed to ask when it shipped. Truly a class act and concerned about customer satisfaction.

How did you get them to call you? I have called them and left voice mails and emailed them a few times with no response or reply. I guess you first have to purchase something from them before they will contact you.