vwwanksta69
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Not sure if the OP wants a WC for breeding purposes. Thats why I was stating that for the prices on IBW, I would rather be getting a tank bred onyx. I have had issues with IBW WC clowns before. Worms etc.
Rod's Onyx Clownfish
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Not sure if the OP wants a WC for breeding purposes. Thats why I was stating that for the prices on IBW, I would rather be getting a tank bred onyx. I have had issues with IBW WC clowns before. Worms etc.
elegance coral
They call me EC
If I was looking for that perfect, flawless, fish to put on display in my tank, I'd go with wild caught. If I was looking for breeding stock, I'd go with captive bred. It's much easier to get captive bred fish to spawn, but its hard to find a captive bred fish that can compare with the flawless appearance of wild caught. The female, or mother, of the Rod's onyx is a perfect example. She is/was grossly deformed.
when you buy a WC pair they always have pests and you still need to do your due diligence with QT and meds to make them healthy.
WC are much more beautiful than CB imo. plus some clowns you need to get a WC cause not to many of the cb ones out there like Chrysopterus, Tricinctus.
WC are much more beautiful than CB imo. plus some clowns you need to get a WC cause not to many of the cb ones out there like Chrysopterus, Tricinctus.
flameangel9
OnyxInc.
Rods onyx came from C-Quest, its not over. That particular pair yes, but they weren't that special. Not being negative, just truthful. Rods ability to raise, market and sell was A+.
vwwanksta69
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I agree.
bues0022
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I think you're a bit off here. There are countless "Rod's Onyx" breeding all over the country. While a true "Rod's Onyx" will become harder to find, the bloodlines - "strains" - are still quite alive with many breeders. Rod just marketed his offspring best making them popular. C-quest bloodline onyx fish are still going to be just as easy to come by as they already are.
Not the end, and I doubt prices will do anything.
elegance coral
They call me EC
C-Quest / Bill Addison is the one that developed these fish. Not Rod. If you're buying from Rod, you're not buying from the source. Rod simply purchased a pair of C-Quest Onyx, bred them, and marketed them using his own name. Bill Addison is the real source of these fish. He's the one that put in the years of work to create them.
These fish have been around for a long time now, and there are quite a few breeders selling them. My LFS received a pair from SA a few months back, and they were flawless. There are also small time breeders turning out these fish. I've seen the broodstock of a few small time breeders, and IMHO they look much better than Rod's broodstock.
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SkullV
They Got My Number
I get that completely. Not disagreeing at all. But a C-Quest Onyx is not a Rod's Onyx. Just like a Neon Green Toadstool from the ocean is not a Tyree Toadstool.
I wouldn't personally buy any of them though, Ocellaris guy myself
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vwwanksta69
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I get that completely. Not disagreeing at all. But a C-Quest Onyx is not a Rod's Onyx. Just like a Neon Green Toadstool from the ocean is not a Tyree Toadstool.
I wouldn't personally buy any of them though, Ocellaris guy myself
So your saying that even though the genes from a rods onyx, which came from a c-quest pair, dont have the same genes as a c-quest onyx?
elegance coral
They call me EC
Yes. If he purchased a smaller C-Quest line Onyx, he could pair it with his (now male) onyx. His male would turn female, and the new fish would turn male. Then he could go right back to breeding C-Quest Onyx and calling them Rod's Onyx.
SkullV
They Got My Number
Same Genes, same clowns, different name. An Onyx pair from C-Quest isn't a Rod's Onyx pair.
vwwanksta69
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Correct. A Rods Onyx is technically a C-quest Onyx.
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jbax
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so everyone can chill out, the strain will live on through the male. and rod can continue shipping onyx clowns before they morph.
SkullV
They Got My Number
True statement :wildone:
ILLiDaN
Clownfish Fanatic
See what you guys fail to understand, is that yes it is from c quest, with different out crossings and many many generations later, the particular onyx strain that Rod holds is completely different from what is offered now. What made rods onyx so popular was the vibrant color, unique body shape, and less deformities. I would imagine that clowns that where raised by rod AKA metal halide, fresh food, sps reef water would be better than the commercialized pellet fed, pc lighting, products you could have received elsewhere.
Maybe just my bias but just something i felt this thread was missing.
Maybe just my bias but just something i felt this thread was missing.
elegance coral
They call me EC
I don't think anyone is trying to belittle the fish Rod puts out. At least that's not my goal. However, IMHO, it is morally wrong, and completely untrue, to insinuate that every other breeder dealing in these fish, have a product that is inferior to Rods. There's nothing special about Rod's fish that separates them, or puts them in a higher class, than any other C-Quest onyx.
So what you're saying is that with the countless siblings of rods broodstock, none of them have gone on to produce offspring of their own, other than Rod's, and you know this how???? Even in the highly unlikely event that this were true, what is it about these two fish that makes them special when compared to all the other C-Quest onyx? There are many breeders that would have culled those two fish, so it's kinda hard to say they're superior to all the rest.
How do these fish have a "unique body shape, and less deformities." The standard by which all clowns are, and should be, judged is the perfect, natural, common, body shape. This is not a unique body shape. It is the most common, seemingly perfect, body shape of wild clowns. By definition, anything that differs from this is a deformity. So, his fish can't be both unique, and have less deformities. If they are unique, they are deformed. If they are not deformed, they are not unique. You are simply trying to come up with flattering adjectives to describe these fish, and place them above all the rest, but what you're saying is physically impossible.
IMHO, and in the opinion of some other hobbyists, Rod's Onyx became popular because of his marketing, and a hand full of people that sung his praises on forums like this.
You're assuming that Rod takes better care of his fish than every other breeder out there. That's simply absurd. I'm sure Rod takes very good care of his fish, but that doesn't mean everyone else takes poor care of theirs. .
I agree with this. You obviously like these fish, and that's great. Many others love the "Rod's Onyx" too, and why not? I've seen some gorgeous looking clowns produced by him. I've also seen gorgeous fish produced by other breeders. I've seen some not so gorgeous fish produced by Rod and others as well.
So what you're saying is that with the countless siblings of rods broodstock, none of them have gone on to produce offspring of their own, other than Rod's, and you know this how???? Even in the highly unlikely event that this were true, what is it about these two fish that makes them special when compared to all the other C-Quest onyx? There are many breeders that would have culled those two fish, so it's kinda hard to say they're superior to all the rest.
How do these fish have a "unique body shape, and less deformities." The standard by which all clowns are, and should be, judged is the perfect, natural, common, body shape. This is not a unique body shape. It is the most common, seemingly perfect, body shape of wild clowns. By definition, anything that differs from this is a deformity. So, his fish can't be both unique, and have less deformities. If they are unique, they are deformed. If they are not deformed, they are not unique. You are simply trying to come up with flattering adjectives to describe these fish, and place them above all the rest, but what you're saying is physically impossible.
IMHO, and in the opinion of some other hobbyists, Rod's Onyx became popular because of his marketing, and a hand full of people that sung his praises on forums like this.
You're assuming that Rod takes better care of his fish than every other breeder out there. That's simply absurd. I'm sure Rod takes very good care of his fish, but that doesn't mean everyone else takes poor care of theirs. .
I agree with this. You obviously like these fish, and that's great. Many others love the "Rod's Onyx" too, and why not? I've seen some gorgeous looking clowns produced by him. I've also seen gorgeous fish produced by other breeders. I've seen some not so gorgeous fish produced by Rod and others as well.
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