SHOW OFF YOUR RARE amd HYBRIDS!!!

[fittiger]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12772787#post12772787 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by zemuron114
They have it listed on the Vanuatu stocklist as aberrant lemonpeel.... but they also have pylei fairies listed as rhomboids... its close. DNA test anyone?

Those are pylei's on DD now?

 

[copps]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12774353#post12774353 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by fittiger
I did not realize that yellow variants were so prevalant and therefore thought statistically that a hybrid would be more likely, especially since I believed they were rarely seen in the trade. If there is a widespread genetic factor in play, might this have originated from yellow/scopas hybrids?

Also your photos aren't showing up for me, do you have a link I could access?

"Rare" of course is relative, but relative to other rare fish in this hobby, these show up fairly regularly.

I don't think this would have originated from yellow/scopas hybrids due to the fact that these yellow scopas have been found literally half way around the world from any yellow tang (the East Coast of Africa as opposed to yellow tangs central Pacific distribution...

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12774364#post12774364 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by fittiger
Those are pylei's on DD now?

Both the pylei and rhomboidalis are properly labeled in the DD. Zemuron was referring to the exporters lists from Vanuatu that to this day still list Cirrhilabrus pylei as C. rhomboidalis many years after this newer species has been described and named after Rich Pyle. Most people in the industry get this right now though... including the DD. You'll see people pop on here though thinking they have a more expensive rhomboid as a result of buying from a local fish store that ordered from Vanuatu and didn't know the difference...

 

[copps]

Oh, and in regards to the photos, try right clicking the photo and going to "properties". That lists the web page where they can also be accessed... Can anyone else not see my photos?

 

[Bebo77]

now thats cool looking anthias....

 

[myerst2]

Yes it is but you'll never see it for sale. Well so i think. Don't know much about the Aurora Anthias except it's a deep water temperate fish. Found in the central pacific around Palau. A real beauty that compares to the beauty of the those deep water Holaanthias we can't get our hands on. Tim

 

[zemuron114]

holanthias Fuscipinnis in HI is a real beauty. The waikiki aquarium has one on display and a local collector caught 2 at 200 feet or so on a rebreather.
they were 1-2". the one on display is a whopping 5-6" but still very cool.

 

[AuroraDrvr]

A few more Yellow or Scopas, Variants or Hybrids. Not sure. Supposedly from Vanuatu.

 

[chrisstie]

The tang on the top looks like he swam into something dirty and is going to have to take a shower or something. I find the second one much more aesthetically pleasing.

 

[LargeAngels]

Here is my "Magic Marker" tang from Hawaii.

 

[copps]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12748097#post12748097 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by myerst2
My newest desire is a baby dragon moray, which is in "season" right now. Hopefully in the next 2 weeks. Have a great weekend all. Tim

Check out this guy caught a while back by my buddy out in HI... it's swimming through his Toyota key...



LargeAngels, that fish has always fascinated me... do you have any updated photos?

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12776904#post12776904 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by AuroraDrvr
A few more Yellow or Scopas, Variants or Hybrids. Not sure. Supposedly from Vanuatu.

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If these are indeed flavescens/ scopas hybrids they'd have to come from the Marshall Islands... the only place with any regular collection that has both species present... Vanuatu does not have yellow tangs anywhere near it...

On the subject of whacky Zebrasoma, here are a couple more of mine... a grey black and white "purple" tang...


And my small gemmatum that's missing his first dorsal spine... I call him "Notch"...



These mutations fascinate me... not because they are necessarily "prettier" than their "normal" counterparts, but because mutation is the essence of evolution... The same characteristics that cause these mutations are some of the reasons we've seen so many species since the Cambrian explosion over 500 million years ago...

Copps

 

[LargeAngels]

copps: Not many. Unfortunately I found him dead a month back back. No idea why. Other side did not really have the mark.

 

[pecan2phat]

copps,

Wondering if you still have your conspic & how's it doing?

 

[fittiger]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12775329#post12775329 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by copps
Oh, and in regards to the photos, try right clicking the photo and going to "properties". That lists the web page where they can also be accessed... Can anyone else not see my photos?

They work at home but not at the office. I think the webfilter does not like your hosting site.

 

[fittiger]

double post

 

[copps]

Sorry to hear that... losing fish sucks... especially those that are settled in and die prematurely...

pecan2phat, I lost the conspic last year... traveling with work is not always the best thing for this hobby and I lost her on an extended trip where I was away... my skimmer stopped working and there was a slight rise in organics that caused something minor to go through the system, but it took out my conspic. This almost took out one of my trio of regal angels too, but she survived and all three are doing well. Fortunately conspics are just expensive, not necessarily that rare... so she's replaceable down the line... Large Chaetodontoplus are a bear to get adapted, and with their thin skin seem to take on things before other genera sometimes...

 

[copps]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12779985#post12779985 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by fittiger
They work at home but not at the office. I think the webfilter does not like your hosting site.

Well, at least it likes Reefcentral!

 

[jmaneyapanda]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12772990#post12772990 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by copps
Jeremy, you're becoming a self confessed angelfish nut, so I think it's about time you start respecting them... ... that "thing" is about five inches... the specimen container its in that I use to photograph is 7 inches long by 6 inches high exactly for reference...

Yeah, you could say that. In addition to my emp, I just put in a males scribbled and a little stocky melanasoma. I originally though it mighve been a dimidiatus, but alas, upon further inspection, just a melanosoma. Just as wide as it is long, though.

I was amazed to see the size of *THAT THING* and still see all the blue and white. It amazes me that metamorphosis rate varies so much in these angels. I rarely see any majestics in juvi regalia, but you have this beast with just a touch of adult coloration.

Glad to hear that "notch" is doing well. Did you end up with the griffis too?

 

[myerst2]

Copps is your buddy selling that small Dragon Moray??? I have been looking for one for some time now. Let me know if he is selling it. Thanks, Tim

Also do you guys think you could keep a Tinker's Buttefly with a Wrought Iron Butterfly in the same tank??? Thanks, Tim

 

[copps]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12780170#post12780170 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jmaneyapanda
Yeah, you could say that. In addition to my emp, I just put in a males scribbled and a little stocky melanasoma. I originally though it mighve been a dimidiatus, but alas, upon further inspection, just a melanosoma. Just as wide as it is long, though.

I was amazed to see the size of *THAT THING* and still see all the blue and white. It amazes me that metamorphosis rate varies so much in these angels. I rarely see any majestics in juvi regalia, but you have this beast with just a touch of adult coloration.

Glad to hear that "notch" is doing well. Did you end up with the griffis too?

That melanosoma complex is exciting and confusing... do you have a pic? I spoke with Gerry Allen about them... he described C. vanderloosi, and was going to look at another possible new species in the complex in the Phillipines last month... do you have a pic and know its origin?

Majestics are on one end of the bell curve and full korans are on the other, changing very large. Combine this with the fact that he has chrysurus blood in him, which hold their vertical bars through adulthood, and that adds to his "young looks" at a decent size... I'm excited to see how he grows up...

I did get the small griffisi too... doing well... this is sort of the bandit angel of the Line Islands... never too plentiful and almost always large... I was happy to score the little guy...

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12781040#post12781040 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by myerst2
Copps is your buddy selling that small Dragon Moray??? I have been looking for one for some time now. Let me know if he is selling it. Thanks, Tim

Also do you guys think you could keep a Tinker's Buttefly with a Wrought Iron Butterfly in the same tank??? Thanks, Tim

That's a shot from last year... that thing is long gone... although I almost took him for myself!

Tinker's and wrought irons would be fine if done right, and both enjoy the cool water...

 

[cwoods8]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12781040#post12781040 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by myerst2
Copps is your buddy selling that small Dragon Moray??? I have been looking for one for some time now. Let me know if he is selling it. Thanks, Tim

I remember when i was roughly 13-14 years old my father always took me to "shark's cove" in the north shore. I loved to explore tide pools(lava rock).....shark's cove is full of them! I came across a juvi dragon stuck in a pool no larger than a diameter of 2-3 feet and a depth of less than a foot...(he was stuck waiting for the tide!) Probably the coolest thing i have ever seen (as far as tidepool exploration goes). Everytime i go home i explore the tidepools hoping to see that again....(but if i see one again in that situation..i'll be sure to save him...for my tank of course:strooper: )