SHOW OFF YOUR RARE amd HYBRIDS!!!
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zemuron114
In Memoriam
A. akyndinos aren't that rare, although most go to Asia or Japan. I get them once and a while, but they are pricey to ship in from AU and not to many people want/know about them.
zemuron114
In Memoriam
the picture of the tinkers off the Japanese site is i believe the Marshall Island tinkers they call it. Only one collector and all go to Asia, none have entered the US in a long time.
dman17878
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Not sure how rare it is but here is my Achilles gold rim hybred (not very good pic either) <a href="http://s260.photobucket.com/albums/ii23/dman17878/?action=view¤t=HPIM0386.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii23/dman17878/HPIM0386.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>
copps
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First of all, in regards to the butterfly campbell posted on the previous page shown above from the Waikiki Aquarium, this is an undescribed Prognathodes genus butterfly that Rich Pyle collected both off the Big Island and Oahu. Rich is actually supposed to collect the holotype for this fish later this month off Waikiki. It is not from Lord Howe... that person was probably confusing this fish with the similar looking Amphichaetodon howensis found at Lord Howe. Rich has seen this fish throughout the Pacific, and it can even be seen in this video snipet of their collection of the Centropyge abei all the way in Palau... the coloration is a bit different but Rich says it's probably the same species as the one in Hawaii...
In regards to the Tinker's for years they were thought to be Hawaiian endemics, but they have since been found in many places throughout the Pacific... some with minor variations like the one pictured. There is also well documented hybridization between three of the Pacific Chaetodon species in the Tinker's complex... C. burgessi, tinkeri, and flavocoronatus. This soup throughout small islands in the Pacific is producing some amazing fish... This complex of butterflies includes some of my favorites and I own a few of them... I am soon going to be adding a pair of one of these hybrids to my collection (+1 for our side of the pond!) as most of these have gone to Asia... in this shot you could see below one of them... it's quite easy to see the genetic input from both burgessi and tinkeri on these guys... pretty sweet!
Copps
glassbox-design
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Hi John,
Beautiful fish :thumbsup: Do you happen to know the going rate for these hybrids and how often are they actually found/collected?
Beautiful fish :thumbsup: Do you happen to know the going rate for these hybrids and how often are they actually found/collected?
chrissreef
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rare dogface puffer in QT
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triggerfish1976
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Dont mean to steal your thunder Fiahymel but here is a full xanthic Undulated. Unfortunetly they lose this color like the one shown in your pic.
zemuron114
In Memoriam
thats a sweet trigger. Where are they from??
buzzbombtom
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cross breeding is where they are from
myerst2
Active member
Not cross breeding at all. Just an abberant form that is found in very small pockets within their range. As campbell said earlier most if not all xanthic varieties change back to their normal coloration, usually within months of being in captivity. This includes triggers and angels Regards, Tim
Vili_Shark
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Solomon Islands.
triggerfish1976
New member
Its generally caused by diet. Try eating a ton of carrots and you will see what I mean.
copps
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12772984#post12772984 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by copps
I grabbed one of these guys a few years ago when they first started entering the trade with regularity. I've spoken with Jack Randall about these, as both yellow scopas variants AND yellow/scopas hybrids are scientifically documented. Yellows and scopas are the most closely related species within Zebrasoma, and meristically they are near identical, with only color to differentiate them. Yellows and scopas have a relatively small overlapping range though, whereas full scopas are found from East Africa throughout the Pacific. So, if we could find out where these fish are entering the trade from that would at least possibly tell us 100%. I've seen too many whacky scopas, from bright yellow to black, and every combination in between, to be able to definitively say if these are hybrids or what... and I've seen plenty scopas with the line in the middle that is more prominent on yellows. Jack told me he cannot tell himself without DNA, and he is more qualified than anyone in the world and has seen more of both hybrids and yellow scopas than we have all seen combined probably. A yellow scopas was even documented from Mozambique! So for any of us to say for sure is just a guess. His surgeonfish book has a hybrid photo in it. Whatever they are, they are not that uncommon where they are collected as they have been coming in in decent numbers and wholesale for about the retail price of a yellow tang. I will try and trace down where they're coming from though again. If they are collected from outside of Z. flavescens range we'll know they're just variants... Anyway, here's mine...
For those continuously wondering like myself about these yellow Zebrasoma scopas I have confirmed that they are 100% not hybrids as their origin points are from well outside of the range of yellow tangs (Z. flavescens)... so as I suspected they are just yellow variant Z. scopas...
Copps
