SPS feeding and filter bag

johnnstacy

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Yes, I am one of those crazy people that actually feed their SPS. Every other night or so. In the past I have taken the filter bag off so that food leaving the tank through the overflow would be recycled back in for a half hour or so. Got to thinking about this though. If SPS don't eat large foods then what can the harm be in using a 100 micron bag? Most food under 100 microns will recycle back into the tank right? If I leave the filter bag in, I could capture most of the larger food that would otherwise just pollute the tank. Then when finished, just replace the filter sock with a clean one. Thoughts?
 
Just my opinion, but I don't think a micron rating stays constant with all the algae and waste build up in the sock. I would take it out to make sure the food had maximum possible contact time with the corals.
 
Tons of us run filter bags and SPS. The simple fact is, if you dont, you will have particulate in the water column. You NEED some sort of mechanical filtration or your water quality will suffer greatly.

That being said, I would also like to point out that any food that is small enough for the sps to ingest is likely small enough to get through the filter bag anyway. SPS dont get very much energy from "feeding" on things large enough to get stopped by a filterbag anyway. SPS get nearly all of thier energy from light and bacteria, atleast that is what I have come to learn from my readings.
 
Actually according to most books, SPS grow the most in the morning which is thought to be from their feeding during the night. SPS do not get the most energy from light. If that was the case, T5's and other types of lighting wouldnt work. They work because of the nutrients in the water with those systems are elevated (good nutrients). Light sustains them. Even if you dont directly feed your sps, they are feeding on particles and things in the water.

Instead of running a filter sock 24-7, try running it one or two days a week to "scrub" your water clean. This will allow you the best of both worlds. Cyclopeeze gets stuck in a filter sock and many species of sps eat those?
 
If I recall SPS is unable to consume Cyclopeeze. Too large. I feel there is no need to feed your sps. I have not seen any proof otherwise. Having sufficient nutrients in your tank can help their color if you are low nutrients. I don't use a filter sock in my tank and my growth is insane.
 
jay24k-

I have over six different SPS species in my system that I can actually watch consume cyclopeeze every night when I feed.

You are feeding your corals because you dont use a filter sock.:)
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8035733#post8035733 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Dr. JMadscientist
Actually according to most books, SPS grow the most in the morning which is thought to be from their feeding during the night. SPS do not get the most energy from light. If that was the case, T5's and other types of lighting wouldnt work. They work because of the nutrients in the water with those systems are elevated (good nutrients). Light sustains them. Even if you dont directly feed your sps, they are feeding on particles and things in the water.

Instead of running a filter sock 24-7, try running it one or two days a week to "scrub" your water clean. This will allow you the best of both worlds. Cyclopeeze gets stuck in a filter sock and many species of sps eat those?

SPS can provide almost all of their own needs via light and the processes that follow .........
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8036830#post8036830 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by clkwrk
Here is a link about DOM and bacterioplankton

http://www.aslo.org/lo/toc/vol_18/issue_3/0380.pdf

Here are 2 ?'s for you .

Why did sps corals evolve to have cilia to move slime to their polyps? What function do the cilia and slime provide? What do corals provide that bacterias need?


I see you've been studying the teachings of the one that loves to his smell corals. :D
 
That's 3 questions, not two.

SPS get 60% to 70% of their daily carbon and nitrogen needs from feeding...that is a big number. How many people that have their corals spawn in a captivity dont feed them anything?

If feeding corals is not important, then why is it that you can keep most corals under dim light and up the feeding and they survive.
 
The info is out their search for it .......... We are talking SPS here not gorgonians or lps or softies.......

Also show me where it states that corals get 60-70 of their nutrition from other source other than themselfs
 
I don't know about you but I haven't seen anyone able to keep SPS at "dim" lighting. Even LPS doesn't like dim lighting. Maybe zoos, mushrooms, and leathers, but definetly not SPS. I would like to see that link as well.
 
clkwrk, I am sorry, but unless I am not reading the thesis correctly it seems as if you rebuffed yourself with your own proof. "The index of assimilation of bacterioplankton by polyps reaches values of 10-20%, which are of the same level as those found for the feeding of small crustaceans with labeled food." ie. Corals feed on bacterioplankton just like non-photosynthetic shrimp do and in the same quantities relative to their mass.

So... what am I missing? And actually you can refer to Borneman, http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2002-12/eb/index.php for examples of why SPS should be fed.

Now in the other vain. Our tanks normally are so nutrient saturated that we don't have to feed the corals, as there is enough P, N and organic molecules to feed everything. However, as protein skimming, chemical filters, ion exchange resins, and zeolite reactors become more common and more refined many people are finding the need to feed their SPS.

I maybe missed something so let me have it.
 
And cross that with this quote from Borneman

"It has been shown that many species of corals, especially Acropora, Stylophora, etc., may meet up to 150% of their energy requirements by their zooxanthellae alone. Yet, it has also been found that Acropora are vigorous consumers of zooplankton, nanoplankton, bacteria and other organisms which meet up to 70% of their daily energy needs."

Okay so they eat some food but its all microscopic

Another from Eric

"Mucus provides a nutrient broth of lipids, amino acids, sugars and other compounds that, in turn, provide abundant sources of carbon and nitrogen for microbes."

So they provide their own carbon and nitrogen . Remember these corals come from oligotrophic waters where there are no nutrients to pull from the water so they developed their own way to provide those elements in water which has nutrients cycled so tightly.

Another from Eric
"The bacteria present can work on particulate matter, dissolved organic matter, and even the mucus itself to potentially change some of the substances into forms more usable by the coral. Furthermore, the large number of bacteria may act as a “lure,” attracting zooplankton that can then by captured by the coral. One step further, the larger zooplankton populations then provide corals with waste material from themselves and from the animals that come to feed on them. Protozoan grazers of the bacteria (who also get a bad ‘rep', but actually provide another important food resource to corals) actually help to maintain high levels of bacteria in the mucus through their grazing activities. Finally, bacteria secrete a number of antibacterial agents which may provide a level of immunity to the corals. This is commonly known among us humans as “probiotic.” In fact, of 491 isolated strains of marine bacteria, both free living and animal associated, 126 produced antimicrobial compounds. The potential ability of corals to control the amount and composition of their mucus, and also to have it controlled by external factors, obviously has interesting implications in terms of coral immunity and health. "

Another from Eric

"The degree to which any coral feeds on bacterioplankton is species specific, and depends largely on whether they possess ciliary-mucus filtering mechanisms. All surveyed corals utilize bacteria as a SIGNIFICANT part of their diet, but some of the genera which depend to an even larger degree on this RESOURCE are Acropora, Pavona, Goniopora, Favites, Symphyllia, Leptastrea, Tubstraea, Seriatopora, Pocillopora, Montipora, Porites, Hydnophora and Turbinaria. Zoanthids are all very heavy consumers of bacteria. Soft corals and gorgonians also feed on bacterioplankton. However, compared to the stony corals, many do not produce similar amounts or compositions of mucus to enhance this ability . The xeniids and other soft corals with a heavy mucus coat, expectedly, consume more. Tubipora musica and certain small polyped gorgonians, including Mopsella, are also extremely proficient bacterial feeders."

So by what I gather SPS can provide all of their needs on their own but they are also opportunistic feeders.
 
Another quote from another report Not Erics

"Zooxanthellae photosynthesize while residing inside their
hosts and provide food for their invertebrate hosts by passing
up to 95% of their photosynthetic production to them
(Muscatine, 1990). Zooxanthellae have been shown to leak
amino acids, sugars, carbohydrates and small peptides across
the host-symbiont barrier. These compounds provide the
host with a supply of energy and essential compounds
(Muscatine 1973, Trench 1979, Swanson and Hoegh-
Guldberg 1998). Corals and their zooxanthellae form a
mutualistic symbiosis, as both partners appear to derive
benefit from the association. Corals receive photosynthetic
products (sugars and amino acids) in return for supplying
zooxanthellae crucial plant nutrients (ammonia and
phosphate) from their waste metabolism (Trench 1979). The
latter appear to be crucial for the survival of these primary
producers in a water column that is normally devoid of these
essential inorganic nutrients."
 
And another from Eric

"Given the importance of bacteria as a food source in marine ecosystems, it might not be surprising to learn that they are also a primary food source for corals. It has been found that bacteria alone can supply up to 100% of both the daily carbon and nitrogen requirements of corals. All corals studied consume dissolved organic material, bacteria, and detrital material. This is more than can be said for any other food source, including zooplankton and light."
 
so let see the simple version if I can? We dont feed our corals we feed the Zooxanthellae by feeding our fish that feed the Zooxanthellae to allow it to reproduce in our tank, so that corals can consume them through their polyps which allow the coral to furter feed the Zooxanthellae the nirtorgen it need to allow the corals to grown and capture more Zooxanthellae. That is what I have read and seen in most of the recent studies.
 
Uh oh, now I am going to go back to ZeoVit/Prodibio/Vodka/other bacteria based filter method. :D

But back to the original question, keep the 100 micron filter sock on because big particles are not used by SPS.

Thanks for the additional reading clkwrk, much easier than looking for it myself!
 
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