Tbs & Dsb Oolic Sand?????
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AuroraDrvr
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Nevermind. Issue was addressed 3 pages back.
(I didn't realize this thread was 5 pages until I posted)
(I didn't realize this thread was 5 pages until I posted)
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aninjaatemyshoe
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I know this post is over a month old, but I just encountered this thread for the first time and feel I have to comment on one of the most grossly ignorant pieces of convoluted garbage I've ever read on this site.
If you had even spent just 5 minutes browsing their site, you would have found that their seed rock comes from ancient coral reef rock. It is not artificial "agrocrete" rock like you suggest. You should really check your facts before you make such statements.
Again, this is not artificial rock, so it has no "binder" substances in it like you suggest. The part about the rock releasing ammonia, nitrites and nitrates is just plain ignorant. Do you understand how this works at all? When you put rock that is basically lifeless and without dead and decaying organisms in the sea (as is the case here), how does the rock produce ammonia and such? The answer is it does not. Ammonia comes from the waste of organisms in the sea. Nitrite and nitrate are byproducts released from aerobic bacteria. In no way do these rocks add these compounds to the sea. Your understanding of the curing process is entirely backwards. Furthermore, your classification of these compounds as "TOXINS" displays a narrow if not simply incorrect understanding of some basic chemistry and biology. First of all, any chemical can be toxic to an organism if in a high enough quantity. So, basically classifying these as "TOXINS", while technically correct, means nothing. Secondly, these compounds are integral to what is called the nitrogen cycle. In other words, they are fundamental to life. So how exactly does any of this equate to harming the environment?
Any time you get live rock that is actually full of life you get the good with the bad. This is true of all live rock. You can either take the risk that comes with the reward of interesting dynamic life on these rocks or you can go with less risky but boring live rock elsewhere. As for pistol shrimps, I do believe you are actually thinking of mantis shrimp that can strike with the momentum of a 22 caliber round. The fact is that this is only the case for the larger species of mantis shrimp, not the ones that are typically found as hitchhikers. You'd have to have a rather large specimen for it to pose any threat to breaking your tank (like 6" and over). Even then, there are plenty of people who keep such mantis shrimp as pets and very few instances of this ever happening.
Your posts seem to indicate that you are quite intent on bashing this rock, despite your complete ignorance about it.
How exactly does getting the government to allow them to do something that is completely within the bounds of the law deserving of a Nobel prize? I can't really tell if you are being serious or sarcastic in this post. Are you now attacking the collection methods for other live rock? I seem to remember you defending them in another post. You're all over the place.
It seems you missed this quote from their site:
"The rock was part of an ancient coral reef... The rock has been rained on and erroding for eons, giving it the porous texture that makes great live rock."
Honestly, it is amazing how confidently and obnoxiously some people parade their ignorance.
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13394226#post13394226 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by reefnetworth
OK HowardW,
i did not state it was chuncks of concrete such as quick-crete from a 50# bag.
i stated it was aquacultured which means it isnt REAL live rock. since REAL LR is made in the ocean not a concrete mixing barrel with some arroagonite, shells and sand and crushed coral with air bubbles in it, and what would possibly bind all these ingredients together? HUH?
If you had even spent just 5 minutes browsing their site, you would have found that their seed rock comes from ancient coral reef rock. It is not artificial "agrocrete" rock like you suggest. You should really check your facts before you make such statements.
Again, this is not artificial rock, so it has no "binder" substances in it like you suggest. The part about the rock releasing ammonia, nitrites and nitrates is just plain ignorant. Do you understand how this works at all? When you put rock that is basically lifeless and without dead and decaying organisms in the sea (as is the case here), how does the rock produce ammonia and such? The answer is it does not. Ammonia comes from the waste of organisms in the sea. Nitrite and nitrate are byproducts released from aerobic bacteria. In no way do these rocks add these compounds to the sea. Your understanding of the curing process is entirely backwards. Furthermore, your classification of these compounds as "TOXINS" displays a narrow if not simply incorrect understanding of some basic chemistry and biology. First of all, any chemical can be toxic to an organism if in a high enough quantity. So, basically classifying these as "TOXINS", while technically correct, means nothing. Secondly, these compounds are integral to what is called the nitrogen cycle. In other words, they are fundamental to life. So how exactly does any of this equate to harming the environment?
Any time you get live rock that is actually full of life you get the good with the bad. This is true of all live rock. You can either take the risk that comes with the reward of interesting dynamic life on these rocks or you can go with less risky but boring live rock elsewhere. As for pistol shrimps, I do believe you are actually thinking of mantis shrimp that can strike with the momentum of a 22 caliber round. The fact is that this is only the case for the larger species of mantis shrimp, not the ones that are typically found as hitchhikers. You'd have to have a rather large specimen for it to pose any threat to breaking your tank (like 6" and over). Even then, there are plenty of people who keep such mantis shrimp as pets and very few instances of this ever happening.
Your posts seem to indicate that you are quite intent on bashing this rock, despite your complete ignorance about it.
How exactly does getting the government to allow them to do something that is completely within the bounds of the law deserving of a Nobel prize? I can't really tell if you are being serious or sarcastic in this post. Are you now attacking the collection methods for other live rock? I seem to remember you defending them in another post. You're all over the place.
It seems you missed this quote from their site:
"The rock was part of an ancient coral reef... The rock has been rained on and erroding for eons, giving it the porous texture that makes great live rock."
Honestly, it is amazing how confidently and obnoxiously some people parade their ignorance.
