The FedEx lady came this morning....

Have you got a QT set up? That is sad that the clowns and the haddoni aren't doing well. :( Like kim asked..How are things looking this morning?
If you can put them in a QT I would treat the water with a dewormer like Praziquantel, or Pipezine. I wouldn't treat them with formalin unless you are absolutely sure it is brook. My reasoning is that formalin can be a harsh treatment on the fish. With the stringy poop and them not eating..worms might be your problem.
 
Kim, lights were off, but both the clowns and the anemone were still alive when I left this morning. I might run home after PT today and look.

Christina, thanks.

I think you are right, not going to try formalin, since it doesn't really appear to be brook. There is a PetSmart close to my home, so I can pick up a cheap 10 gallon tank to move them too. I hope that they have Praziquantel, or Pipezine too. There is another LFS that I could try to find that stuff at. Otherwise I will have to wait until Saturday to pick it up --- the ones that I am pretty would have it, are a place that I don't like to drive to in rush hour.
 
With all respects to Christina, the problem is that brook is such a fast killer, whereas parasites you can take a little time with. Most fish that can't survive a modest formalin treatment probably aren't going to make it anyway, and you minimize secondary infection.

Just my 2 cents.

I got my replacement carpet today from DD. Even though it has only been in a half hour, it does look dissapointingly similar to our others. I'm thinking really bad catch and perhaps may be dissapointed that DD sold them too early. Guess time will tell.
 
BTW, the last picture on the first page does show some brook similarities. My guess is that they were weakened by brook and then contracted the parasite.
 
IMHE:

Elevated breathing, lethargy, and if they have stopped eating absolutely point to more serious issues then stringy feces.

It could be early stages of Amyloo, Brook, or Crypto. Don't wait.

From picture progression, here they are very skinny which could contribute to the feces symptom but would not contribute to both lying down and breathing heavy. Fins are already clamped indicating some level of stress:
PicassoPercula10.jpg


24ish hours ago, this is classic clown gill parasite position:
sickpercs.jpg


If I did not see any, and I mean any trace of a spot on the fish, I would assume Brook and at least hit them with formalin bath on the way to the hospital tank.

I might consider a fresh water bath, but that will only provide relief with Amyloo and possibly Crypto.

Not to mention, then need to be seriously overfed for the next few weeks. I would ignore the stringy feces until they put on weight, but queue up a prazi based drug for future use.
 
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btw: pipzine is likely long gone in Aquarium formulas. You can still find it in dog dewormer, but prazi based formulas seem suitable.
 
Thanks alot Scott.

I just finished transferring them to a 5 gal tank, and dosed some PraziPro. Is there a name brand for formalin? There is a PetSmart very close to me, the "real" fish places are at least an hour of away this time of night.

I am uploading some new pictures.
 
On a sad note, the Haddoni is no longer with me. When I got home from work I went to look at it, and looked worse then this morning. Was starting to fall apart, so I had to take it out.

sickhaddoni5.jpg



Here are the clowns new home. The rock is from another tank, using it to provide bacterial filtration -- don't plan on putting it back into that tank. I took used 5 gallons of water from the tank that they were in. (( already had 5 gallons made up for a water change ))

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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13248445#post13248445 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Toddrtrex
Here are the clowns new home. The rock is from another tank, using it to provide bacterial filtration -- don't plan on putting it back into that tank. I took used 5 gallons of water from the tank that they were in. (( already had 5 gallons made up for a water change ))
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Have the clowns still been breathing heavy and laying around?
Have then been eating? Alot I hope.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13248479#post13248479 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by traveller7
Have the clowns still been breathing heavy and laying around?
Have then been eating? Alot I hope.
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Yep, breathing really heavy, and laying around. It was almost too easy to catch them.

As for eating, nope, they are ignoring all foods.

And thanks for that Kordan's link, there are 3 places nearby that I hope will have it.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13248498#post13248498 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Toddrtrex
Yep, breathing really heavy, and laying around. It was almost too easy to catch them.
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Ugh.

Wish I was closer. Might want to post in the local club forums. Most clown nuts have some on hand.

Any "slime" forming on the bodies, especially the dorsal surface?
Any tiny pits forming near/in the first white stripe?
Any streaking in the fins, etc?
Eyes still clear?
 
Don't feel too bad, I think DD has a crappy batch of green haddonis. My first died within a week and the second I received today looks like crap and still hasn't attached. I sent them a nasty gram. I fully realize the nem are delicate, but no doubt in mind these should not have been sold. I sent them a email. Of course I'd like a credit, but I am very disappointed in DD. They are supposed to be the best.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13248621#post13248621 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by traveller7
Ugh.

Wish I was closer. Might want to post in the local club forums. Most clown nuts have some on hand.

Any "slime" forming on the bodies, especially the dorsal surface?
Any tiny pits forming near/in the first white stripe?
Any streaking in the fins, etc?
Eyes still clear?
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Thanks again for all your help. As luck would have it the PetSmart near me had some off brand, but the active ingredient is formalin. I will do a search, but is it best to dip them in a mix of it and tank water?


I haven't noticed any slime, or tiny pits. And the eyes are still clear.

Here is a close up shot of them. I will try to get a side on shot,

sick.jpg
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13248705#post13248705 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Toddrtrex
Thanks again for all your help. As luck would have it the PetSmart near me had some off brand, but the active ingredient is formalin. I will do a search, but is it best to dip them in a mix of it and tank water?
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Likely, yes.

Depends on what is in the formula. Does it have Malachite Green, other dyes, Quinine, etc.?
 
Yea, it does have Malachite Green as the other active ingredient. It is "Quick Cure" by AP (( same company as that first link you gave me )). Is in a little drip type bottle, about an ounce.
 
I have heard of people putting a small amount of fructose in the QT water for fish that aren't eating. Given my personal experience with sick clowns, I would definitely try it. Not that it has worked for me - I've never done it. But I've also QT'd at least 6 clowns in my lifetime due to brook, all occelaris or percula, and lost them all. I waited too long.
 
Very familiar with quick cure. Great med for freshwater "ich".

In my experience, it is not suitable for a dip; only for in tank use.

Using it at dip strength is a gamble with the added dye. Off hand I don't recall the percentage of formalin in that formula. Is the % listed?
 
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