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If you have both. Nothing will beat experience, I say run both and see what happens. If you run them close to each other (Where the pump draws water into the skimmer) one might out compete the other. But if you run them one at one end of the sump and the other far apart or at the other end of the sump they both should pick up organics as no skimmer will pick up all of the organics in one shot. There will always be some by pass from the water coming down from the main display to the sump.

Did you think his sump is an olympic sized swimming pool? :) The pumps won't be that far apart.

There will be no difference (good or bad) what part of the sump they draw water from. They are competing for the entire tank volume. The amount of DOS in his sump is the same as what is in his sump (any part of it).
 
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Call Jeff, run this past him... I know he has mentioned in the past not recommending two skimmers either for the same reasons. This conversation was a long time ago though.

Ask him the pros and cons and see what he may be able to come up with for a custom wide body skimmer... honestly, I think this will be your best bet. One skimmer, able to fit within your height restriction and the wide body will increase the skimming capacity, and due to your sump space limitations you mentioned, running it externally would be ideal.
 
Zibba


Call Jeff, run this past him... I know he has mentioned in the past not recommending two skimmers either for the same reasons. This conversation was a long time ago though.

Ask him the pros and cons and see what he may be able to come up with for a custom wide body skimmer... honestly, I think this will be your best bet. One skimmer, able to fit within your height restriction and the wide body will increase the skimming capacity, and due to your sump space limitations you mentioned, running it externally would be ideal.

Also it is not like you have to worry about running it externally and it will be loud. There is no noise whatsoever.
 
Also it is not like you have to worry about running it externally and it will be loud. There is no noise whatsoever.

Also, just because you are running it externally does not mean you have to have an external pump. You can still run an internal pump, however you will have to drill and install a bulkhead into the sump for your skimmer return.
 
Why wouldn't either skimmer perform to their potential?

For what its worth, I ran two BK Mini 180's side by side and they did not skim equal. The one closer to my water inlet in the sump out performed the other. I switch the two around and ditto, the same out come.
 
For what its worth, I ran two BK Mini 180's side by side and they did not skim equal. The one closer to my water inlet in the sump out performed the other. I switch the two around and ditto, the same out come.

On this note... If you have multiple drains (which I would imagine you have atleast 3+ with a 550 gal tank)

You could run your drains to have at least 1 drain dumping right in front of each skimmers pump
 
First, thanks for everyone's comments. This is helpful. I'll try to address things as much as I can to keep the conversation going.

Unless there is no room, why don't you just run the Lifereef external and put it outside the cabinet? That's what I did. This will end the dilemma.

I don't have the option of running it external; must be in-sump under the tank.

The only way it could be done is to plumb the skimmer outside and because the tank/sump is already in place and due to it's current configuration, that's not possible. It's also not wise considering it's 110-degrees outside here in the summer. I don't have an external shed (nor do I have room for an external shed) where I can place all of this equipment. If I did, I would have.

With a 550gal tank you should have more than enough space to run the skimmer externally. Then you could have Jeff make you a custom skimmer like someone else was just posting with a much wider skimmer body.

I'm not sure why you reached that conclusion, but it's not true. See above.

I talked to Jeff about custom building a 30" skimmer with a wider body and he advised against it in this application. I can't recall all of the reasons, but I believe it was an air:water-volume (in skimmer) issue.

Also, so that I'm not misleading about what Jeff told me, Jeff certainly mentioned that there's an "old wives' tale" going around that you can't run two skimmers. He couldn't be certain whether running two skimmers would be successful or not in my application but he mentioned running two skimmers on his system with success in the past.

If you have both. Nothing will beat experience, I say run both and see what happens. If you run them close to each other (Where the pump draws water into the skimmer) one might out compete the other. But if you run them one at one end of the sump and the other far apart or at the other end of the sump they both should pick up organics as no skimmer will pick up all of the organics in one shot. There will always be some by pass from the water coming down from the main display to the sump.

From what I've read, it has worked for some. But, unfortunately for me, it seem (and makes sense) that those running multiple external skimmers--as oppose to multiple in sump skimmers--have success.

A local friend is running 3 skimmers on his 1400g tank with success and that's what convinced me to go this route.

Did you think his sump is an olympic sized swimming pool? :) The pumps won't be that far apart.

There will be no difference (good or bad) what part of the sump they draw water from. They are competing for the entire tank volume. The amount of DOS in his sump is the same as what is in his sump (any part of it).

The footprint for the skimmer section is 23"x33" (water height is ~8") so, you're right; there's room but they'll be in pretty close proximity.

Probably doesn't matter much, but to put things in perspective, the total sump size is 56" x 34" x 20".

Also it is not like you have to worry about running it externally and it will be loud. There is no noise whatsoever.

Very happy to hear that these are quiet skimmers -- that was a major deciding factor.

Also, just because you are running it externally does not mean you have to have an external pump. You can still run an internal pump, however you will have to drill and install a bulkhead into the sump for your skimmer return.

If I had the ability to run it externally, that's exactly what I would have done.

For what its worth, I ran two BK Mini 180's side by side and they did not skim equal. The one closer to my water inlet in the sump out performed the other. I switch the two around and ditto, the same out come.

I think I read a post from you early on in this thread where you said that. How much water volume did you have when you were those two 180s? A single 180 should out perform my ATB Elegance 200 Pro. I'll try to go back and find your post but what was your solution if you couldn't fit one large skimmer under the sump?

What about feeding two SVC3-30s from a single pump? Does that change the analysis?

Some of this is hypothetical, I realize, and sometimes the only way to find out is to experiment to find out. Heck, isn't that why most of us found our way to Lifereef skimmers? At the end of the day, like Jeff says, "proof is in the cup."
 
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I have a very similar setup as yours, 60g cube and I had the same skimmer (vertex Omega 130) and recently got the svs3-24. It was a tight fit to place it in my 19" square sump, but with some light modding it went in.

I decided to switch and get a lifereef, because as you have been experiencing I was also tired of constantly tweaking the Vertex.

I am using one of the new Reef Octopus DC pumps. It is virtually inaudible and the best part is no hum you get with traditional pumps. In my brief experience with the skimmer I can say that you need a fairly powerful pump. The RODC 5500 is rated at around 1600gph. I use it at the max setting and I feel I could go a couple notches higher if I could.

Just 3 days ago I started getting skimmate in the cup, just short of 2 weeks since I set it up. I like skimming a bit wet, so the color is medium and also my bio load is not heavy.
What I love is that I do not have to fiddle with water levels as before. It is truly set and forget.

NOTE: for the eagle eyed, that silicone tube on my drain is just temporarily placed. I am waiting for the right sized ratchet clamps from BRS ;)


Clorox: Thanks for your input and thanks to all who have contributed to this thread.

What made you go for the 3-24 model instead of the 2-24 model? I'm glad I saw this thread since the 3-24 is the same skimmer but with a flange design and not much more $'s for the in sump model.
 
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Clorox: Thanks for your input and thanks to all who have contributed to this thread.

What made you go for the 3-24 model instead of the 2-24 model? I'm glad I saw this thread since the 3-24 is the same skimmer but with a flange design and not much more $'s for the in sump model.
Get the vs3 with the flange. You will have the option to buy extensions in the future if you ever upgrade your tank.

And not that it is needed but you will be able to clean the inside much easier
 
Exactly. Experimentation is good.

Some of this is hypothetical, I realize, and sometimes the only way to find out is to experiment to find out. Heck, isn't that why most of us found our way to Lifereef skimmers? At the end of the day, like Jeff says, "proof is in the cup."
 
Clorox: Thanks for your input and thanks to all who have contributed to this thread.

What made you go for the 3-24 model instead of the 2-24 model? I'm glad I saw this thread since the 3-24 is the same skimmer but with a flange design and not much more $'s for the in sump model.

Get the vs3 with the flange. You will have the option to buy extensions in the future if you ever upgrade your tank.

And not that it is needed but you will be able to clean the inside much easier

Exactly that. Upgradeability. The flanged version will allow me to add an extension the day I upgrade from my 60g to a 600g+ :D
 
I'm having a new tank built that will be approx. 244 gallons so my 5 month old svs 2-24 most likely will not be large enough. So Im looking to upgrade to a 30, maybe even 36.

If anyone is looking to do downsize, please let me know. I'm willing trade plus cash to upgrade.

Thx.
 
I wouldn't go with a 30" on a 244 regardless of what the ratings say on the website. Especially with a 6" body and a 2 1/4" ID neck.
 
I have the SVS2-24 in-sump skimmer with larger collection cup, been up and running for about 5 weeks in my 75g. I have a small bio load (only two clowns, and medium size CUC) but really havent had much skim which I know is fine, water parameters have been good.

Question is, it's not dirty but should I clean it once a month when there's been low to no bio load like I have? And how do you clean it?
 
D2mini has a tank about the same size, he has a VS3-30 and gets good results

I think his tank is a 180. If so that's 64 gallons less.

He also has/had a bad cyno problem. I guess we could all debate would a bigger skimmer have helped.

I have the 30" on my 94g. I wouldn't put it on a 244 if I got that tank.
 
I I think most skimmer ratings over stated.

Look what the 24" is rated for. That is definitely overstated.

Anyway, this is opinion. Others may have there own
 
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