The Reef Central Corner Club Thread

I don't know Jim... adding the sump will, for sure, make your tank louder. I am not sure you will be thrilled with the noise in the room. It's difficult not to get some gurgling noise in the overflow box. You can submerge the output inside the sump to avoid any noise there, but then you will have to consider both the noise from the skimmer and the return pump. You can go with an enheim or quiet one pump (those are the quietest ones I can think of). I need to think about this one.
 
Guys, what I've found by keeping my tank in the living room is if you want a sump with an overflow to be quiet, limit the amount of water going through it. Most HOB overflows say they're rated for 600 gph. Keep them under 250 and they don't make a sound.
 
Hmmm.....Only 250gph through roughly 65gal total system water? Is that going to be enough? I guess it would be much easier to run a single 1/2" PVC pipe than 2 1" pipes. I know there would be some noise from the return pump and skimmer, but if it's a constant mild humming, I could deal with that. My wifes biggest complaint is being able to hear the noise that the Prizm skimmer makes when it's sucking the air through the venturi, and being chopped up in the impeller. It's a very inconsistant noise, and that drives her crazy. I actually sleep better if there is a little constant noise, like from a fan or something. I'm planning on setting a rubber mat under the sump, and using pipe insulation on the drain and return lines. Also, rubber washers and grommets will be used on any points of attachment of the pipes to the tank or sump. I guess some major planning is in store for me. And thanks for all the input! You guys are the best!
 
You can easily silence the Air intake in the skimmer. This is what it is used on MSX skimmers. Mine has one, with double input, but something like this will work for yoursÑ

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Instead of paying $30 I would just build one. All you need is a small plastic container. Make a couple of holes and insert two small pieces of rigid 1/4" tubing.
 
Yes I've seen this. I have 3 perscriptions that I have to take regularly, so I always have access to empty bottles and such. I really can't wait to get this sump going! I guess I should get busy building huh? This weekend is my daughters Bday party, and next weekend they have a Ferrari show, and then up to the track to run them around. So my next two weeks are shot! I live about 20min from Watkins Glen International Racetrack. I don't know if anyone has heard of this, but that's where they run, and I'm hoping someday to re-join SCCA and run my own cars up there:)
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15604800#post15604800 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by boret
Hey Jesse, whats your take on a higher stand? I think yours is higher than 30" right?

Sorry, I missed that before. Mine stand is 35 1/2". Total height with tank is about 58". I love it unless I have to reach the bottom, but that's not too bad. I use a small step stool. When sitting on my couch or standing at the tank, the view is perfect. If you look back also my tank is "somewhat" open. Be careful without having a canopy. If seated in the tank area, light spread can screw the whole look up.

Reefscape, Normal flow through a fuge should be around 2 to 3 times total tank volume. Through a sump without a fuge 3 to 5 times. Too much allows water to pass through without being cleaned before returning it to the tank.
 
id also suggest 3-5 times flow through the sump, mines around 4-5 i estimate and its just right as the skimer and reactors can do their thing before the water returns to the tank, too fast and i think it wouldn't be as effective.
 
I just helped my friend make an overflow for his tank, and he ended up only using a 3/8" internal flex hose to feed his sump. I thought there was no way that something that small would provide enough flow to keep a system going, but if all you need is around 250-300gph, thats really not much! I'd kind of like to someday add a closed loop system, and is that something that I can do with the same overflow? If i had say a 1/2" pipe feeding my sump, and a 1 1/4" pipe feeding a seperate tank, could I use the same overflow? It would make sense to me that I would be able to, but then again I've never done anything like that before.
 
So according to that chart, (thank you btw!), a 1" can flow up to 960gph. Would I just regulate the gph down to 295 by tuning down my return? I forgot that you can control the return flow to what you want running through the system!
 
Also forgot to ask. What size pipe should I use for my return? Also use a 1" and just reduce it at the end for higher turbulance out of a smaller port?
 
The skimmer seems a good deal. It comes from Hong Kong so you will not get a lot of support, but for the money it seems an option. However, at $74 for shipping you are at the $200. For $80 more bucks you can get this: http://www.marinesolutionsinc.com/c...Skimmers/c22_48/p132/MSX200/product_info.html

Your overflow is gravity fed, you want it at least 2-3 times the size of your return pump GPH. I use a 1-1/2" overflow (2100gph) and return water at around 600-700 gph.
There is a difference between the amount of water that you can move for a specific diameter pvc when gravity fed vs the amount of water that can be moved for the same size pipe if it is pressure fed. Your return is pressure fed with the pump. At one point you need to consider volume vs velocity.

For example, you can move 500-600 gph in a 1/2" pvc pipe but it will exit the pipe at high velocity. The same 500-600 gph in a 1-1/2" pipe will move slowly. High velocity has advantages, you can use that velocity to produce movement inside the tank, but also produces more noise (more friction). In my opinion you are better of running 3/4" pipe (either flexible pvc or even braided plastic hose) from the return pump and then limit the output with a Eductor to get higher velocity.

And to answer you first question.... yes, you control everything by throttling the return, either by adding a valve on the return or by buying a lower GPH pump.

Keep in mind a couple of things in your design:

1. A higher GPH return pump gives you more options for future expansions, like adding a media reactor. You can split the return and run half of it through a media reactor and the other half back into the tank.

2. Use True Unions and True Union Valves. There are more expensive but totally worth it. You will need to clean your return pump at some point (recommended at least every 6 months) and being able to just close a valve and quickly disconnect a pump is great.

3. Which brings me to the 3rd thing to keep in mind. Siphon effect!! Your return, when the pump is off (electric failure) will siphon out you main tank. So in reality, whatever is the lowest pipe output in the tank that will be the level the water will reach in case of a power failure. So you either add a couple of anti-siphon holes in your return or take into account that extra volume of water to leave ample space in the sump.
 
RANDOM COMMENT: I ordered the 180gallon today.... 4-6weeks till dilivery... 4 side starfire 6x2x2, 9 holes in the bottom for overflow, return and closed loop system. My days in the corner are numbered... :( Bittersweet.
 
Boret - For about $280, I can also get a Vertex IN-250. I was just starting to think though, that having such a massive skimmer on only 54gal may be a little overkill, and may not pull much skimmate, as there may not be enough wastes to feed the skimmer. I'm kind of torn. I love the Vertex skimmers, and have been thinking a lot about the 250, but maybe I'll just downsize to the 100 or something. I guess when I'm ready to set up another tank, I'll be able to afford another skimmer anyways.

Hookup - Sorry to hear about having to leave the world of corners, but it's gotta be very exciting to have a new tank coming!
 
Hookup, you can always leave the tank in a "corner" and use it as second tank :) Good luck with the new setup!

You are probably right reefscape15 about it being overkill. I am using a MSX300 in my system, but I am close to 200 gal counting everything. Many told me that it was too much, but I feel is doing a great job. What about the Reef Octopus NWB 150? The dimensions of your sump are going to be the defining factor, there is just not that much room in the stand....
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15615480#post15615480 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by boret
Hookup, you can always leave the tank in a "corner" and use it as second tank :) Good luck with the new setup!


I agree with this!!!! As a matter of fact, I just got a little 26 gal bow front and stand I'm gonna have to figure out something to do with. I'm thinking a clown/nem tank, but we'll see.

I'm also using a fairly large skimmer, but I'd rather be sure I'm able to pull anything out, than have to worry about feeding too much. I also ran my g3 on a 37 gal tank, (which needs something in it too), and never had any problems.
 
I'm a 1 tank guy... do one thing, and do it well, or try to anyhow... if I get too much going on, i just goof it all up.

In my home town we have an aquarium club with on-line forum (www.ovas.ca) Ottawa Valley Aquarium Society... anyhow, I've started my build thread on that site, but once I get the project really rolling, I'm going to get a build thread running here as well. I'll link into this thread to let you all know when it gets posted.
 
Here's some build updates. I added a few powerbrite strips, I love the color on these things
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I picked up some liverock from World wide corals today, its 45 pounds of totoka. Its got tons of texture I've never seen it before today.
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My first attempt at aquascaping in a corner. I'm not so sure I've happy with it yet. I like to let it sit for a little and see how I feel about it in a few days.
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