This is probably how the zeolite system works

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

In general, shutting things down can be a tricky balancing act so as to not allow production of hydrogen sulfide.

 

[Rwpdunne]

I do not agree with other poster though ...
no offense Rwpdunne, but you should source your post if you decide to copy and paste from a manual or ...

I didnt copy out of any manual iam talking from experiance my friend ive been using bio-
Mate the last fiew months

 

[Boomer]

In other words, the zeolites used in these zeolite systems, are nothing more than "bacteria housing", since Randy already pointed out that the NH4 binding capabilities of zeolites are rapidly depleted after a few hours
Which means, I'd assume one could even use GAC or even bioballs instead of zeolites, and would still achieve similar results.

:lol:

I pointed that out years ago here on Zeovit debates on this forum and RC However, many bacteria just like the surface structure of zeolites, so it is a preferred surface over many others. It also can get layered. So, there is Nite ----> Denite due to proximity association of the bacteria.


and there's no proofs that zeolites will continue to exchange ions in a marine environment.

And there will be no exchange, their can not be, as the media gets coated with bacteria, mulm and organics and washing or scrubbing can not fix that.



Nice piece though so thanks

 

[Rwpdunne]

In other words, the zeolites used in these zeolite systems, are nothing more than "bacteria housing", since Randy already pointed out that the NH4 binding capabilities of zeolites are rapidly depleted after a few hours
Which means, I'd assume one could even use GAC or even bioballs instead of zeolites, and would still achieve similar results.

:lol:

I pointed that out years ago here on Zeovit debates on this forum and RC However, many bacteria just like the surface structure of zeolites, so it is a preferred surface over many others. It also can get layered. So, there is Nite ----> Denite due to proximity association of the bacteria.


and there's no proofs that zeolites will continue to exchange ions in a marine environment.

And there will be no exchange, their can not be, as the media gets coated with bacteria, mulm and organics and washing or scrubbing can not fix that.



Nice piece though so thanks

So why is the zeo method so effective were only talking about zeolite here what about the zeo start and bak? To put it very simple You dont get the same results if you dont use the zeolites end of storey you can say what you like but at the end of the day we all know now that zeolite works and works very well its the ultimate in ulns i rest my case no disrespect to Randy i think your a legend in this hobby 100% respect to you iam not having an argument here just a discussion

 

[bertoni]

Well, the problem is that I've seen a lot of products that people are sure are absolutely necessary or the latest and greatest and so on, but I just haven't seen any reason to believe that the zeolites either are necessary or better, not yet, anyway.

 

[Rwpdunne]

Well, the problem is that I've seen a lot of products that people are sure are absolutely necessary or the latest and greatest and so on, but I just haven't seen any reason to believe that the zeolites either are necessary or better, not yet, anyway.

Bertoni are you saying that the zeolites arent nacessary? and if so what would be an alternative?

 

[Toddrtrex]

So why is the zeo method so effective were only talking about zeolite here what about the zeo start and bak? To put it very simple You dont get the same results if you dont use the zeolites end of storey you can say what you like but at the end of the day we all know now that zeolite works and works very well its the ultimate in ulns i rest my case no disrespect to Randy i think your a legend in this hobby 100% respect to you iam not having an argument here just a discussion

How is that a discussion when you are stating opinions as facts? Do you really think that;

You dont get the same results if you dont use the zeolites end of storey

Fact is if you use the zeolites you get better results

works very well its the ultimate in ulns i rest my case

is really part of a discussion?

 

[Rwpdunne]

How is that a discussion when you are stating opinions as facts? Do you really think that;







is really part of a discussion?

i'm stating facts from my own experience here. i'm a zeo user and will continue to do so, what i'm talking about has been proven and the major fact in this is i'm getting great noticeable results in my system as a result of using zeovit :celeb3:

 

[tmz]

Well Rwp , we all don't know that zeolites is" the ultimate in unls". Testimonials are not facts . Your positive feelings toward this product andadditives are respected for what they are worth and it may be a fine method but it is untrue to speak for all and say "we all know they are the ultimate in unls" Many do equally well without them.

 

[HighlandReefer]

So why is the zeo method so effective were only talking about zeolite here what about the zeo start and bak? To put it very simple You dont get the same results if you dont use the zeolites end of storey you can say what you like but at the end of the day we all know now that zeolite works and works very well its the ultimate in ulns i rest my case no disrespect to Randy i think your a legend in this hobby 100% respect to you iam not having an argument here just a discussion

How do we know that many of these Zeo products work simply due to a placebo effect without any research to back them up? Approximately 35% of any hobbyists who try something like this will react positively simply due to the placebo effect. In this case I don't see any relevant research that can offer a reason as to why this product will work better than other systems one can use which are scientifically backed.

http://www.skepdic.com/placebo.html

"The idea of the placebo in modern times originated with H. K. Beecher. He evaluated 15 clinical trials concerned with different diseases and found that 35% of 1,082 patients were satisfactorily relieved by a placebo alone ("The Powerful Placebo," 1955). Other studies have since calculated the placebo effect as being even greater than Beecher claimed. For example, studies have shown that placebos are effective in 50 or 60 percent of subjects with certain conditions, e.g., "pain, depression, some heart ailments, gastric ulcers and other stomach complaints."* And, as effective as the new psychotropic drugs seem to be in the treatment of various brain disorders, some researchers maintain that there is not adequate evidence from studies to prove that the new drugs are more effective than placebos."

 

[HighlandReefer]

Bertoni are you saying that the zeolites arent nacessary? and if so what would be an alternative?

If you look at the Reef Tanks of the Month that have been presented, you will struggle to find any of them that use zeolites, yet the tanks are really something to behold.

 

[Acrotrdco]

Bertoni are you saying that the zeolites arent nacessary? and if so what would be an alternative?

I've to agree with Bertoni - I've never used zeolites and I don't believe zeolites being the only solution.

I use NP Biopellets and was able to maintain a very low nutrient level for my SPS tank (non-measurable NO3/PO4).

Some folks even just dose VSV and was able to achieve the same results.

 

[tmz]

In general, shutting things down can be a tricky balancing act so as to not allow production of hydrogen sulfide.

Hi Randy,

Do you think bolus dosing of an organic carbon source like vodka or vinegar daily or 2x daily would influence the aerobic and anearobic phases vis a vie continuous 24 hour dosing?

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

I'm not sure. Bolus dosing could theoretically cause anaerobic areas to form in biofilms that with lower organic concentrations might otherwise stay more aerobic. Might be hard to notice a difference, but its one of the factors that come into play in different dosing regimens.

 

[tmz]

Thanks:rollface: