This is what a 10 year old Flame Angel looks like

that is so cool good job on the longevity i had no idea they could live that long yet im semi new to the hobby my oldest is my clown at 3yr nothing else lived through my learning stupidity.
 
that is so cool good job on the longevity i had no idea they could live that long yet im semi new to the hobby my oldest is my clown at 3yr nothing else lived through my learning stupidity.

Think about how long us humans might live if we had someone painstakingly fussing over our oxygen levels, micro managing our health to the point where we would be removed from our community and treated for illness, monitored for elevated stress levels and then having our environment adjusted if we seemed too anxious or stressed out. Lol

With good husbandry, wisdom, knowledge and common sense these critters will actually live longer in captivity than in the wild.
 
Think about how long us humans might live if we had someone painstakingly fussing over our oxygen levels, micro managing our health to the point where we would be removed from our community and treated for illness, monitored for elevated stress levels and then having our environment adjusted if we seemed too anxious or stressed out. Lol

With good husbandry, wisdom, knowledge and common sense these critters will actually live longer in captivity than in the wild.

The condition in our tank is not better than the wild by a long shot, even with the most melticulus tank mangament. Lack of predation is the only that is an advantage in our tank vs the wild.
They may live longer in our tank, but not because of being healthier, just not have a short live because they were not gobble up by a biger fish.
 
Are you asking so that you can debate about it? Because I feel like you are.
If the longevity of reef fish in the wild is just your opinion, there is nothing to debate...if there was actual research done, I'd like to read about it.
 
If the longevity of reef fish in the wild is just your opinion, there is nothing to debate...if there was actual research done, I'd like to read about it.

Throughout the years I have regularly kept fish longer than their stated life expectancy. I had a 10 year old mandarin until about a month ago... He refused to eat during the move, I could not get him to take anything. Was a really sad day when we lost him. :(
 
The condition in our tank is not better than the wild by a long shot, even with the most melticulus tank mangament. Lack of predation is the only that is an advantage in our tank vs the wild.
They may live longer in our tank, but not because of being healthier, just not have a short live because they were not gobble up by a biger fish.

Wouldn't you think being fed every day enough food to fill your belly with all kinds of vitamins and additives without having to hunt it down is an advantage.
 
Wouldn't you think being fed every day enough food to fill your belly with all kinds of vitamins and additives without having to hunt it down is an advantage.
I never seen, in person or in picture, or caught a thin fish in the wild. I don't think food is not but been food is a problem.
Many fish lost color in captivity. Royal Gramma and some of the harder to keep angels are example. I try to feed a wide variety of food to my tank. I am quite happy to find that my Royral Gramma have the same vibrant color as the newly caught RG. How many times have you seen pale, washout RG in aquarium? IME, only a small fraction of RG I seen in aquarium have the vibrant color of a newly caught wild RG.
 
Minh - wanted to thank you - I have a 6-gramma harem at the moment, and they are all doing well. Thanks for your advice about sexing them and how to keep them together. I tried once before but they whittled down to 2. This time they seem to be staying at 6. I got them very small and as a group, did not let the LFS split them up when they arrived. I think that was the secret.
 
Great. I have 6 RA harem myself. They are a vastly under appreciated fish. Great for community tank.

OP, sorry for side track this thread
 
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