Triple-S Fish Ranch - 1700gal 164†x 48†x 56†SPS peninsula build
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Hobbesaurus
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I have nothing interesting to add other than I'll be following this build going forward along with the other half of RC 
Great Job
Great Job
innerspark
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Just got done reading the whole build thread. Wow beautiful done and lots of great info.
new_world_disor
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WOW. amazing tank. love the depth of this, dont see many so deep. Good work !
mini update, AEFW invasion
mini update, AEFW invasion
Thanks for the nice comments, klipprand, new_world_disor, delmo, innerspark, hobbesaurus, dallasg, Marc, cbrodus, robot2222, iced98lx
My coral QT introduction process is clearly insufficient. I've geen doing a single CoralRX 10-minute dip during initial introduction. This seems to have let through a major next of eggs that hatched and devastated almost all of the acros in less than 3 weeks. I didn't realize these guys could be quite that virulent; thought they'd stay on the colony where they hatched and be very slow to relocate between colonies. Sad to lose the 2 biggest colonies, but better QT than display.
Refreshing my AEFW reading here to determine the right re-dipping schedule. Thinking weekly for first 6 weeks after new introduction, though this may be wildly insufficient given how quickly this outbreak spread between colonies. I am not counting on being able to spot and scrape off eggs, so will need to find a schedule that catches all new hatches before they can lay more eggs.
I'm feeling frustrated at the thought of waiting another 3 months before introducing corals to the DT. Debating now whether to go ahead and introduce a couple of the montiporas to the display even though they likely have some AEFW eggs on them. From what I've read, I should be able to count on the AEFWs dying off so long as I don't introduce any across to the display for at least 3 months, but not sure I'm comfortable with the idea of knowingly introducing them to the tank.
Of course. If you squint you can just make out that the tower of 5 tunze streams at the front of the tank (right) has been replaced with one Hydro Wizard ECM-63.
It's been a while since I've broken out the 14mm lens, so a full room shot from the entrance for good measure:
mini update, AEFW invasion
Thanks for the nice comments, klipprand, new_world_disor, delmo, innerspark, hobbesaurus, dallasg, Marc, cbrodus, robot2222, iced98lx
My coral QT introduction process is clearly insufficient. I've geen doing a single CoralRX 10-minute dip during initial introduction. This seems to have let through a major next of eggs that hatched and devastated almost all of the acros in less than 3 weeks. I didn't realize these guys could be quite that virulent; thought they'd stay on the colony where they hatched and be very slow to relocate between colonies. Sad to lose the 2 biggest colonies, but better QT than display.
Refreshing my AEFW reading here to determine the right re-dipping schedule. Thinking weekly for first 6 weeks after new introduction, though this may be wildly insufficient given how quickly this outbreak spread between colonies. I am not counting on being able to spot and scrape off eggs, so will need to find a schedule that catches all new hatches before they can lay more eggs.
I'm feeling frustrated at the thought of waiting another 3 months before introducing corals to the DT. Debating now whether to go ahead and introduce a couple of the montiporas to the display even though they likely have some AEFW eggs on them. From what I've read, I should be able to count on the AEFWs dying off so long as I don't introduce any across to the display for at least 3 months, but not sure I'm comfortable with the idea of knowingly introducing them to the tank.
Of course. If you squint you can just make out that the tower of 5 tunze streams at the front of the tank (right) has been replaced with one Hydro Wizard ECM-63.
It's been a while since I've broken out the 14mm lens, so a full room shot from the entrance for good measure:
I dip all acros on arrival in Bayer Complete Insect Killer (Home Depot), then every 5-6 days for 2 more dips, so three dips total over a 10-12 day period
each dip consists of 4 parts tank water, 1 part Bayer, dips last 3-5 minutes
the process kills living and eventual hatched eggs of AEFW
I place new arrivals in a separate tray and move to a new clean tray after each dip, I examine the content of each dip for AEFW, and if I find AEFW on a coral I throw the frag in the trash
I have never had AEFW in the DT
each dip consists of 4 parts tank water, 1 part Bayer, dips last 3-5 minutes
the process kills living and eventual hatched eggs of AEFW
I place new arrivals in a separate tray and move to a new clean tray after each dip, I examine the content of each dip for AEFW, and if I find AEFW on a coral I throw the frag in the trash
I have never had AEFW in the DT
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I would not knowingly let them enter your system. If for whatever reason they just so happened to stay alive... Well you know.
I know it's painful to do, but I always discard the frag plug corals come in on which of course often requires cutting the coral from the base. I know there's risk in having a necrosis event, but the bottom line is that's where they lay the eggs. In fact these days I prefer fresh cuts and I'll put them on my own new plugs.
I would also consider going to the Bayer dip instead and you're going to have to dip them once a week. They are proficient breeders. There's a thread on here where someone took the time to study their reproduction cycle and it was quiet proficient. I'll see if I can find it and post here.
Good luck.
I know it's painful to do, but I always discard the frag plug corals come in on which of course often requires cutting the coral from the base. I know there's risk in having a necrosis event, but the bottom line is that's where they lay the eggs. In fact these days I prefer fresh cuts and I'll put them on my own new plugs.
I would also consider going to the Bayer dip instead and you're going to have to dip them once a week. They are proficient breeders. There's a thread on here where someone took the time to study their reproduction cycle and it was quiet proficient. I'll see if I can find it and post here.
Good luck.
Here's the study. If I recall it lost traction, but there's a lot of good info on their breeding cycle. http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2346292
o2manyfish
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Hi Paul,
Sorry to hear about the losses. The flat worm battle is tough. The Bayer Dip does seem to work a little bit better than Coral RX, and sometimes I alternate between the 2 because there is no perfect solution. And someone recently shared a new dip method in which the flatworms actually fall off the corals and shrivel up. With the Bayer you have to baste the corals to blow them off. This new one they supposedly fall off.
I don't want to share just yet, as I haven't gotten hands on experience yet to test/proove the method. And this still won't prevent the eggs from hatching. Paul shoot me an email at the end of the week and I will let you know how testing this week goes.
When you get your corals in you definitely want to dip. And if you are receiving Bali Mariculture pieces you want to cut off the bases. You can use a wet saw. I usually use my frag pliers and if you cut into the base it breaks apart leaving the coral intact.
If you are receiving new Aussie wild Aussie acros, You can usually spot the eggs right where the coral was cut from the reef. When you get those corals just cut another 1/2" off the base. The eggs aren't on the coral where there is tissue, The eggs are on the bases, or the exposed coral skeleton.
I don't think you should worry about adding the Monti's to the tank. The AEFW stick to the acros. If your Montis had bases that were touching Acropora colonies, then you might have to worry. But your Montis should be clean.
Dave B
Sorry to hear about the losses. The flat worm battle is tough. The Bayer Dip does seem to work a little bit better than Coral RX, and sometimes I alternate between the 2 because there is no perfect solution. And someone recently shared a new dip method in which the flatworms actually fall off the corals and shrivel up. With the Bayer you have to baste the corals to blow them off. This new one they supposedly fall off.
I don't want to share just yet, as I haven't gotten hands on experience yet to test/proove the method. And this still won't prevent the eggs from hatching. Paul shoot me an email at the end of the week and I will let you know how testing this week goes.
When you get your corals in you definitely want to dip. And if you are receiving Bali Mariculture pieces you want to cut off the bases. You can use a wet saw. I usually use my frag pliers and if you cut into the base it breaks apart leaving the coral intact.
If you are receiving new Aussie wild Aussie acros, You can usually spot the eggs right where the coral was cut from the reef. When you get those corals just cut another 1/2" off the base. The eggs aren't on the coral where there is tissue, The eggs are on the bases, or the exposed coral skeleton.
I don't think you should worry about adding the Monti's to the tank. The AEFW stick to the acros. If your Montis had bases that were touching Acropora colonies, then you might have to worry. But your Montis should be clean.
Dave B
CONSPICILLUM
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:uhoh3::bounce3:Elliott, thanks so much for sharing the details of your regimen. I will steal it wholesale. The idea of using yard insecticide is hard to get my head around, but there's no arguing with the success you and others have had; it makes me wonder what's next, spray the corals with Raid, and maybe a bit of Roundup for good measure?
I have a growing appreciation for your QT tray system after spending 3 hours re-dipping every resident of our coral QT tank. It certainly would have been nice to re-dip only the most recent tray of additions rather than the entire system.
CuzzA, thanks for the tips and the reference link. You and rbarn are right on the patience front, thanks for the reminder. I'll accellerate introduction a little bit but not immediately; at this point, to compromise the system over another month or two of delay seems foolish.
Dave, appreciate the suggestions, and look forward to your findings on the new product. Regarding the montis, a huge quantity of critters came off them when dipping last night. I didn't see any obvious flatworms as with the acros, but it was enough to give me pause. If not 3 months, I will probably wait at least 3 weeks of re-dipping every 4 or 5 days before introducing them to the display.
Pickupman66
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I am going to second this. I dip with bayer religiously. I do this because I didnt at one point and lost. Found AEFW in my 180 and almost lost them all. I ended up dipping the entire tank in bayer three times (yes I pulled rock because of massive colonies) and rid my tank of them. Bayer is good stuff.
I dip all acros on arrival in Bayer Complete Insect Killer (Home Depot), then every 5-6 days for 2 more dips, so three dips total over a 10-12 day period
each dip consists of 4 parts tank water, 1 part Bayer, dips last 3-5 minutes
the process kills living and eventual hatched eggs of AEFW
I place new arrivals in a separate tray and move to a new clean tray after each dip, I examine the content of each dip for AEFW, and if I find AEFW on a coral I throw the frag in the trash
I have never had AEFW in the DT
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