True or False, did this REALLY and TRULY happen ?????
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SIR PATRICK
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Im leanin towards c...and whatever else from the medicine cabinet complimented the reaction.
khaosinc
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The other thing not mentioned is the effect of a camera. Most the modern ones use infrared light to focus etc. I also wonder about the effects of rupturing the side of a zoa/paly to get it to sprout a new one.
That being said, I'm still going with no, it didn't happen as said anyway
That being said, I'm still going with no, it didn't happen as said anyway
My BS meter tells me no way in the world this happened but my background is this kind of biology does not let me analyze this properly... I am waiting for the response but cannot come up with anyway that, if that occurred, it would not be all over the place right now. I am not sure there is a replacement for normal husbandry being the best way to get z&ps to grow... and leaving them alone and not fragging everytime they get a head. I know there was a thread awhile back that I discussed zoa and paly growth of multiple heads compared to single heads. I think many people don't realize how fast z&ps can grow when left alone to reproduce.... which might be where this thread is going as many times creating a stress for a coral causes a growth response in order to protect the species. If a hormone or combination of items could put a zoa in "survival mode" for a month then maybe it could happen.... see... now I am wishy washy just like everyone else. In the end, I don't think this occurred but would love to find out that it did.
I ask him to post it in its on thread as I didn't want to turn this thread into a picture thread. He will post it today for sure.
Do you think this growth actually happened BTW? Why do you feel it's plausible? Just give your opinion, it won't hurt? It's important to hear what you think.
Thanks
Do you think this growth actually happened BTW? Why do you feel it's plausible? Just give your opinion, it won't hurt? It's important to hear what you think.
Thanks
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frag factory
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i think its BS personally
if its true though (and i hope it is) it will drive the price of zoa down i think which can only be good for those with a zoa collecting problem :spin3:
if its true though (and i hope it is) it will drive the price of zoa down i think which can only be good for those with a zoa collecting problem :spin3:
Hmmm, see post # 7. Are you still doubtful because it was HGH or the way in which it was administered, or the incompatibility? I'm just asking why you thinking it's BS?
Mucho Reef
Your BS meter tells you, "no way", even with what was stated in post # 7 of this thread? I'll ask you the same question, Are you still doubtful because it was HGH or the way in which it was administered, or the incompatibility? I'm just asking why you thinking it's BS?
If this did happen, it wouldn't necessarily be all over the place. Advancements in medicine, science and many many other discoveries have all transpired as a results of many years of trial and error and control studies which have saved thousands of lives. Many or most of these studies were done privately without public knowledge.
You're right, polyps can grow like crazy if more focus was placed on understanding them as it is learning every name of them. I put on a couple polyps this week alone. Can't tell you the name of them, but I can tell you what makes and keeps them happy and growing.
BTW, you are not wishy washy my friend, LOL. You are just racking your brain to try and make logic or reason of the possibility. I commend you, all of you for doing that.
Mucho Reef
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Great question. Now I ask you, could 24/7 infrared stimulation be the missing link which was the hidden factor which lead to this discover?
Also.
If you go back to the 4th line of 2nd paragraph, I never said it was injected into the side of the polyp. Zoanthids have a Siphonoglyh, which is their mouth. Their mouth a gastrovascular pouch. HMMMM, a stomach? Injection denotes use of a means to administer a substance, chemical, hormone etc. What if the injection was DIRECTLY into the oral slit, ( their mouth ) and not into the Cuticle, ( their skin ) ?
Look at post # 34 , B)
Zoanthids are photosynthetic, extracting most the nutritional requirement needed to sustain them from your lights/the sun. This is their primary source for nutritional uptake. External, or what I call, secondary feeding isn't necessary, but it has shown to marginally improve/speed growth. I just read a book by a well known author who says, "light alone is not enough to sustain their metabolism. Starvation results in rapid reduction in polyp size". If this is true, more many many years I didn't feed, so how did my polyps sustain their metabolism?
Going back to post # 34, what if, what if this substance, ( HGH ) or what was created from the HGH, had absolutely no negative impact on the zooxanthellae, ( the single cell marine algae that lives symbiotically within each polyp ). What if the exact opposite transpired which resulted in this type of growth?
Then no is your final answer?
Mucho Reef
LOL, but I stated, "every has, or should have in their medicine cabinet". I don't think everyone has or should have BP's in the med cabinets, but you made me laugh like crazy with that, thanks.
Mucho
I'm only asking, is anyone really scratching their heads over this to the point you were thinking about it even when you walked away from your pc, or while driving, or while in bed trying to sleep? Did you jump on your PC to research this in anyway? Did you get on the phone, text, call, PM, DM or email someone regarding this subject and possibility?
Mucho
PS... 50 replies and over 500 views in less than 24 hours. This has peaked some interest.
Mucho
PS... 50 replies and over 500 views in less than 24 hours. This has peaked some interest.
Thanks for subscribing, but submit your opinion. Even if it's just yes or no, what do you feel? I see a lot of people just looking, lurking and reading this thread but not replying. All I'm asking for is your opinion. If it's a simple yes or no, please share that and at least a sentence why you feel that way. It's vital that you do so.
Mooch
Well, could it have been the moonlights left on for 24 hours? When you say it's something everyone should have in their medicine cabinet I would imagine the most common things are peroxide, alcohol and asprin. Im interested in seeing the results of this thread.
Well, I'm not really sure. I have a limited scientific background and it mainly consists of emergency medicine and field treatment. Is it possible? Well, IME most anything is possible?
I believe it's possible, but I don't believe it is the actual base form of the HGH that caused it.
Remember there's actually 2 life forms at work here... the polyp... and the zooxanthellae, so it would have to be broken down into 3 parts.
A) The effect itself occurs in the polyp, which is the base animal in question
B) The effect occurs in the zooxanthellae, which thereby stimulates it and provides more food for the polyp in question.
C) Trace amounts cause a reaction somewhere else in the aquarium setting, providing ample growth for phyto or zooplankton which then in turn helps feed the corals in question.
Honestly, with hearing about how some people have had success with it in tanks in the past (just going by what others have said in this thread) I kinda shy away from A, and move more towards B, since that is the 1 thing ALMOST all corals have in common (granted there are non photosynthetic ones but it wasn't stated anything about them, and photosynthetic corals are more dominant in the hobby).
Either way, I sure as hell am not a scientist, I just build fast cars, but this is kind of interesting
If C) is true, then you're saying trace amounts of something suspended in the water column was fed upon by the phyto and zoo plankton of which the polyps consumed? Am I correct? And that produced constant and prolific growth?
250 polyps in 30 days...
Divided by those 30 days...
Is an average daily growth rate of 8.3 polyps..........PER DAY ?
only mucho comes up with these crazy topics LOL
To be honest as humans we have fun playing god or trying to (sorry if i offend) we do it every day farmers adding chemicals to veggies, adding steroids to cows, cross breed fish to wipe out invasive species, etc. were always toying with natural balance! Would a scientist have alot of fun screwing around with this yes, maybe he is a reefer and wants the price to come down
This sounds real possible due to the fact we as people look for the fastest way to do everything. How to get our livestock fatter, how to make trains planes and automobiles faster. So why wouldn't someone toy with this hobby to see reactions, maybe they plan on doing this to our oceans since alot of reefs are depleting. Who knows? BUT what kind of zoas are we talking, this guy isn't injecting hornets and rastas, because as test subjects those would be great, but very expensive to ruin, is he doing this with "cheap" zoas that is the question i have. My answer is YES this is possible and very likely but what are the side affects, if its hgh, i don't want my purple hornets 6'2 and 200lbs lol.
I'm real interested i could see someone trying this experiment and REINVENTING this hobby, and actually making it a hobby not a business . . . purple hornets 2 dollars a polyp you want rh we'll go 5 . . . AWESOME
To be honest as humans we have fun playing god or trying to (sorry if i offend) we do it every day farmers adding chemicals to veggies, adding steroids to cows, cross breed fish to wipe out invasive species, etc. were always toying with natural balance! Would a scientist have alot of fun screwing around with this yes, maybe he is a reefer and wants the price to come down
This sounds real possible due to the fact we as people look for the fastest way to do everything. How to get our livestock fatter, how to make trains planes and automobiles faster. So why wouldn't someone toy with this hobby to see reactions, maybe they plan on doing this to our oceans since alot of reefs are depleting. Who knows? BUT what kind of zoas are we talking, this guy isn't injecting hornets and rastas, because as test subjects those would be great, but very expensive to ruin, is he doing this with "cheap" zoas that is the question i have. My answer is YES this is possible and very likely but what are the side affects, if its hgh, i don't want my purple hornets 6'2 and 200lbs lol.
I'm real interested i could see someone trying this experiment and REINVENTING this hobby, and actually making it a hobby not a business . . . purple hornets 2 dollars a polyp you want rh we'll go 5 . . . AWESOME
Hmmm I posted a thought provoking topic on something other than names, pricing, hype etc, and that's the second time the crazy reference has been made. What are the other crazy topics which I have come up with, I'm just curious is all? Calling the topic crazy is an insult to all the people who diligently replied to it and have shown much interest. Thanks evb9.
50 replies and over 500 views in less than 24 hours is a positive type of crazy I guess. Nope, not mad, so should we just post pictures, talk about a names, rarity, debate pricing and the same old topics everyday? Come on, there is so much more.
My post didn't mention any names of the polyps, it's not important at all.
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