True or False, did this REALLY and TRULY happen ?????

[NaH2Ofreak]

I say BS. A far fetched idea spurred only to induce debate.

First of all, the definition of "injection" per wikipedia:

"An injection (often referred to as a "shot" or a "jab") is an infusion method of putting fluid into the body, usually with a hollow needle and a syringe which is pierced through the skin to a sufficient depth for the material to be forced into the body. An injection follows a parenteral route of administration; that is, administered other than through the digestive tract."

#1, pierced thru the skin and #2 "other than the digestive tract."

Hate to say it mucho but, people are only interested in your topic on the off chance that they could get their "named polyps" to grow faster so they could generate more CASH!!!!

Dennis

Dennis

 

[evb9]

sorry mucho i didn't mean crazy i should have edited it, your the one who is always asking the non typical questions (I.e. on every zoa post YOU ask all the info about the tank and the placement etc., which we should all be asking but instead we ask "dude how much and where did you get it") and trying to get everyones mind going, from what i see (which you did on this one). I see your point about the thread, but thats what i was implying by "crazy" because you never see these "think" topics. And to be honest if i truly meant it in an insulting manner, i would be in turn insulting myself! Because i posted my opinion
As for the actually naming polyps, it went along with my point, was he targeting the fast growers to grow faster, or the slow growers to grow at all (its cheap vs. big money polyps) Thats what has my interest, he could be on to something here, i'm interested in the results.
once again sorry for the misunderstanding. It is a hard transition going from "should i buy these red hornets" to "this guy MAY or MAY NOT BE standing this hobby on its head"

 

[evb9]

NaH2Ofreak

Hate to say it mucho but, people are only interested in your topic on the off chance that they could get their "named polyps" to grow faster so they could generate more CASH!!!!

I think your wrong my friend, as mucho said it may be something we ALL have so if we get polyps growing like weeds, supply and demand would go down and in turn prices would drop big time. This all depends on the process and whats involved to actually getting the substance into the polyp of course.

 

[650-IS350]

Mucho, are you or were you a Pharmacist ?

2 Face
http://www.coralpedia.com/index.php?module=Gallery2&g2_itemId=7252

 

[MUCHO REEF]

I say BS. A far fetched idea spurred only to induce debate.

First of all, the definition of "injection" per wikipedia:

"An injection (often referred to as a "shot" or a "jab") is an infusion method of putting fluid into the body, usually with a hollow needle and a syringe which is pierced through the skin to a sufficient depth for the material to be forced into the body. An injection follows a parenteral route of administration; that is, administered other than through the digestive tract."

#1, pierced thru the skin and #2 "other than the digestive tract."

Hate to say it mucho but, people are only interested in your topic on the off chance that they could get their "named polyps" to grow faster so they could generate more CASH!!!!

Dennis

Dennis

I can't control what people think. I really don't regret doing it, much has come of it. The other topics are still in the forum for others to talk about, and this was something totally different. True or not, a lot of people have contacted me and thanked me for creating a new topic of interest. I respect your right to have your opinion though. You might me right, some may be here and tagging along just for their on personal and monetary gain, but many are here out of simple curiosity. I'll let it ride a few more days.

What I have discovered, or should I say, reaffirmed, is that reefers are caring and intelligent people. Just look at many of the responses that have been submitted.

Hey, I tried. We can now go back to discussing the same topics in the forum, ID this, names, pictures, pricing, Nudibranchs. No problem, and thank you all for the interesting feedback.

 

[evb9]

that two face is sweet, and that polyp alone makes me believe that this topic has some truth too it. If you can splice two polyps together, and dose your tank with vodka why couldn't you give the polyps some baseball juice, and make them shoot polyps like they were a rabbit. Is it wednesday yet? :hmm4:

 

[650-IS350]

Depending on my feeling in regards to this hobby and whether I leave it... I will see if whether I will conduct my experiment on splicing various species of zoanthids, various protopalys and palythoas and see where it goes from there.

It really depends of various factors for me as this is one of the projects I've though of or had planned but has since been put in the back burner due to my waning feeling about reefing in general.

 

[Stusdesktop]

Could HGH induce a growth explosion in Zoas/Palys ?

Possibly although unlikely IMHO. Growth hormones are as a rule tailored to mammals and more specifically tailored to a certain species. That being said there is cross over from one species to the next as shown by athletes and their quest for enhancement using bovine and equine growth hormones.

An injection of growth hormones into the zoa cells - certainly possible under the right conditions and yet being able to get that hormone into each and every cell would require so much work as to make it seem even more unlikely.

Target feeding - a more likely way to get the hormone into the zoas system but again seems a bit hit or miss. Why would a zoa "feed" on a hormone that resembles their food about as much as a zoa resembles an acro? If however a zoa will feed on HGH or even HGH laced foods then it is probably the best delivery method.

Soaking - This one seems to be the most efficient way of introducing HGH to a zoa, soaking and allowing ingestion and immersion. Can a zoa survive in a HGH liquid, what percentage of fluid is hormone and what percentage is saltwater? Not insurmountable questions and experimenting would give decent if not controlled answers.

Water column - Add neat hormones to the water column and allow for "natural" dispersal. The easiest for the hobbyist but also the one that treats a whole system rather than individual corals. If and for me it's a major if this could be done then you'd see and explosion in reef tanks, captive breeding programs and it would be headline news as a conservation item.

Something we all keep in our medicine cabinet - Could be simple iodine which is already useful to us in various degrees. An interaction between something common and a hormone, again possible but again unlikely.

Do I think it happened - no, do I think it could - yes, although the chances of it seem negligible.

Assuming it did happen though, lets ask a few more questions.

What is the lifespan of a single zoa/paly polyp ? Is one polyp suddenly forced into massive growth going to die faster than a polyp not forced into the same growth pattern?

Does faster growth equal greater mutations. Is each new polyp grown from a forced polyp more or less likely to develop new colour morphs, smaller polyps, larger polyps ?

Does faster growth equal a lesser or greater resistance to normal zoa/paly diseases. Will forcing my zoas result in them melting more often than the ones left to reproduce at their own rate?

Just some thoughts from an unscientific mind ....

 

[650-IS350]

Put it this way... like Kevin Garnett said in their last championship win....

" ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE "

Pct as super slim but could be.

 

[danbmx]

this is fake. For this to work not only would it have to speed up the reproduction of the coral, but also the zooxanthallae

 

[luvdiving]

36 replies with 365 views in 14 hours of posting this topic. We're having an intelligent discussion on something new........and it's CRAZY talk? WOW !!!

when you are speaking in scientific terms for paragraphs on end, to most people here with no background in biology, it would be considered crazy talk....

and to prove that, go back thru the 3 pages of replies and see how many of the same people are engaged in this thread....not many.

meaning, most of the people have no idea what you guys are saying and they just want to know whether it is true or not....:beer:

 

[650-IS350]

meaning, most of the people have no idea what you guys are saying and they just want to know whether it is true or not....

:lol:

 

[jjmcat]

I heard someone mention H202.I am very curious about this subject so I will subscribe to the thread.

 

[kawicivic]

" So what your saying is its not one thing or another that may or may have caused the growth, but it may be the two combined to form something completely new or atleast a different form. "

BINGO, that's what I've been waiting for.

There is no further discussion needed. You guys can now say, Yes, this is possible, probable and it actually happened.

OR

NO, it's IMPOSSIBLE, not PROBABLE and could NEVER happen, nice try Mucho. Maybe it did, maybe it didn't. The exchange was very engaging and you're all going to be SHOCKED on Wednesday evening at 9 PM eastern time !!!


Mucho Reef

I'm sitting in a hotel room with no medicine cabinet otherwise I would start lookin in mine. I am curious if the unknown factor may be some sort of pill or supplement or something else that contains either algae or another marine ingredient. I know there were some diet supplements that used chitosan (sp?) which is something from shellfish. Vitamin C has been used before and has been shown to be beneficial so maybe its another vitamin form. Just throwing out some ideas in case it turns on a light bulb for someone.

I don't think this is completely impossible as I doubt Mucho would string us along for something 100% a waste of time... don't know the guy personally but he just doesnt seem like the Joker and its not April Fools.

 

[kawicivic]

I ask him to post it in its on thread as I didn't want to turn this thread into a picture thread. He will post it today for sure.

The first time I read this I thought you were talking about this thread... then I just realized you were talking about the two faced paly.... Got me all excited for nothing:spin2:

 

[kawicivic]

What about scissors????? did he either cut the palys in half and let the HGH heal them faster or cut them off their stems and do the same?

This is driving me crazy if you cant tell....

 

[aquaph8]

What about scissors????? did he either cut the palys in half and let the HGH heal them faster or cut them off their stems and do the same?

This is driving me crazy if you cant tell....

I know me too. Mucho has anyone guessed the other ingredient and would you tell us if someone did?:spin2:

 

[MUCHO REEF]

when you are speaking in scientific terms for paragraphs on end, to most people here with no background in biology, it would be considered crazy talk....

and to prove that, go back thru the 3 pages of replies and see how many of the same people are engaged in this thread....not many.

meaning, most of the people have no idea what you guys are saying and they just want to know whether it is true or not....:beer:

Are you truly serious???? Someone speaking intellectually on a topic is considered crazy talk in your opinion? How many people here have you just insulted? WOW !!!

People look and lurk here every single day, some post and reply and some don't. I have spoken to many of them privately in the last 3 weeks. There are a lot of topics here that I don't post on and I do indeed know and have the answer. Now becuase I don't reply and say something, by your own admission, does that mean I DON"T UNDERSTAND ?

"You guys" ? , so you indeed insulted a lot of people who replied as well as those who did.

I think you owe a lot of people here an apology.

If you don't agree and feel it is impossible for the said growth to happen, then say so, but why come here to try and destroy a discussion because it is above your head. It's not silly or crazy, but I will respect your right to feel that way since it is merely an opinion.

Your post is one of the reasons some people don't reply or post, they don't want their thread to be referred to as , "crazy talk".

 

[dread240]

I personally kinda like crazy talk

 

[frag factory]

i have no background in bio as you will be able to tell in a min

but how does a HUMAN growth hormone take effect on zoas

i just don't see this

also if this is true it must totally strip the water of nutrients needed for growth

there must be a limiting factor somewhere so i would question the health of the new growth

this to me is screaming BS

if this was discovered i feel it would not be small news - it would be on science blogs ect well before its found on a small reefing forum...

but the OP is speaking like its true and hes teasing us

i just don't know what to think but its screaming BS to me