tunze wavebox in action

Trickman, you are so way out of line that it isn't funny. Roger just drove three hours on his dime to speak out at our club's banquet dinner on Saturday, and didn't even have time to stay to eat. Not to mention the three hour drive back home. He didn't ask for for his travel expenses nor for speaking to our club.

PLUS he donated something valuable to the club for a door prize!

The fact that you asked the VENDOR if he had a DIY version out is pretty rude in my opinion. Next time you shop at Marine Depot or Premium Aquatics for a high-end piece of equipment, go ahead and call or email them asking for a DIY version. :rolleyes:

For DIY questions, you're better off using the DIY Forum here on RC. The money I spent on Tunze products have never been a waste. Quality and unique designs come with a higher price.
 
melev said:
Trickman, you are so way out of line that it isn't funny. Roger just drove three hours on his dime to speak out at our club's banquet dinner on Saturday, and didn't even have time to stay to eat. Not to mention the three hour drive back home. He didn't ask for for his travel expenses nor for speaking to our club.

PLUS he donated something valuable to the club for a door prize!

The fact that you asked the VENDOR if he had a DIY version out is pretty rude in my opinion. Next time you shop at Marine Depot or Premium Aquatics for a high-end piece of equipment, go ahead and call or email them asking for a DIY version. :rolleyes:

For DIY questions, you're better off using the DIY Forum here on RC. The money I spent on Tunze products have never been a waste. Quality and unique designs come with a higher price.
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Well said!
 
I have spoken with Roger a couple of times and have found him always to be curtious, knowledgable and extremely helpful.
 
First off I was not asking roger for a DIY version. All I asked Roger is why it was so Costly. So how about everyone stops freaking out on this board. I really don't care if you guys like me or Not. Roger if I insulted you by asking other members about a DIY VERSIOn because someone posted a Link I apoligize. All I wanted to know why the cost was so High. Thanks for the answer. I do not need people thinking they are all high and mighty and adding their opinion. Believe me I could really care less.

Roger I did think it was rude that my question was ignored on cost. ( I think that was a little RUDE but maybe I had insulted you because I asked about DIY Version on a Tunze board.)
 
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Now that this whole mess is done with lets discuss something else.

What type of waranty does Tunze give?

Do you think Rio will come out with something similar (less quality I am sure)

Also what is your Feeling on SEIO by Rio?

What are the benifits of a system like this?

What percentage of markup does Tunze have on their products?

When was Tunze founded?


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I bet most of your answers can be found at www.tunze.com

And I will not put a Rio pump in my system ever. I barely trust them to mix my saltwater -- away from my tank. Have you never read the "Let's Count the broken RIOs!" thread?
 
This is a good thread so letââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢s not get it closed due to a few odd questions and one or two postees.

Roger and all the other Tunze peeps I have had dealings with are fantastic and really show what Tunze is about. I have never regretted spending money on Tunze as these things just keep on running.

As to a DIY wave box, sure it can be done as the theory is rather simple and hats of to Tunze for using it in such a product. The main issue I see with a DIY unit is the cost of a pump that could move the required volume and survive the 1 secondish pulsing and chances are it would be cheaper to buy the Tunze with a guarantee then DIY (time to build ,test, parts replacement etc).

Its also long term thinking, the amount of money I have wasted on return pumps, and power heads is crazy, trying to save money on this part of the kit costs more in the long run. And as to cost, if you look at what we are trying to keep alive in an SPS tank and the cost of a fully stocked tank even a smallish tank then the initial cost of quality pumps should be seen as an investment.
It is also good that Tunze is one of the few aquarium companies that still consider quality as a prime goal and have not gone the cheap and cheerful route where quantity is more important then the quality of the product.

Main circulation in my tank is Tunze 6100 (4 of these were 7402 that were changed into 6100) and Iwaki return pumps, and I know that if I am on holiday chances of a pump failure are very slim, and should a snail etc get stuck in a 6100 the electronics will sense the pumps not spinning, limit the drive current and sound an alarm, so I enjoy my holidays more as not worried so much about the tank.
 
Nice response Blgreef, you also made some good points. I agree Rio is not quality but cheap. I just wanted to hear what Roger thought. Rio obiously made a knock off of tunze. Anyways I apoligize for being a little harsh earlier on saying I would never buy a Tunze product. I was a little frustrated at this thread. If you could still answer the questions above that would be great. I am sure you are very busy.

Also when are you guys going to have these available to the market?
 
trickman2
prior conversations aside,
All the answers you seek are out there, and several are already in this thread. It is as if you are trying to make a point with your questions. You edited your question list which previously had a question that stated "how can you justify such a markup" and other probing questions.
There is obviously an agenda here.

It is a waste of rogers time to answer these questions.
Part of this hobby is research and another part is asking questions when answers cannot be found.
The wavebox is already available, and that information is only about 2 pages back.
 
I don't have a agenda. My only agenda is to decide if I can justify spending the cost on a system like this. These are legitimate questions. If I would like to ask Roger some questions about their products then what is it to you. Roger is a represenative of Tunze and asking him some questions that should not be a problem to answer. Honestly I am really getting sick of you getting involved in something that is really none of your business. You have been rude from the get go. It is not a waste of time to answers peoples questions. It is called good business. If you have nothing to hide and you are selling a quality product then all the answer to the questions above should be no problem. Roger should have no problem answering the questions. You know skeets why are you always having to put in your two cents. Its like your Rogers bodyguard or something. I am sure Roger is a big boy and can handle this himself. If he does not want to answer some of the questions no big deal. Skeets if I ask you a question then by all means answer it but until then please stay out of the conversation. Thanks
 
Trickman, only you can decide if it's affordable to you. I know of no other product that will give you amount/type of flow the Streams and Wavebox can. I think everyone who has one (or any Tunze products) have siad they are worth the money...Not for nothing, I wish Tunze had an even wider range of products...they are my choice for manufacturer whenever possible. Roger is also an efficient and pleasant liason here in the US. If yyou have specific questions for someone ask in a private message...or expect someone to comment on it...

I will also say that making this thread about you and your issues iis distracting from the purpose of the discussion.

Enjoy!
d.
 
Thanks Delv you are probably right about useing Pm instead of asking in a forum but most of the time someone else has the answer and is willing to share and be productive. I just don't like people who are completely rude and very unfriendly. So on another note you have used alot of tunze products and in the long run they have been worth it to you? Do you have a wavebox? Also it seems to be hard to find a place selling the new Tunze Waveboxes. Know of any good places to buy Tunze products. I was pretty amazed with the effect and I am considering saving up and getting one.
 
MarineDepot.com, ChampionLighting.com, PremiumAquatics.com are all online vendors that carry Tunze products.
 
I don't have a Wavebox...but I've got a few 6100's and a 6200. Melev mentioned good places to get Tunze products above...They are very nice...

d.
 
I installed my Wavebox on my 10' tank and let me tell you i am pretty amazed by it. Even though undersized for that tank it still pushes good waves above my overflow on the other end of the tank. The thing i like most about it is the water movement provided in ALL my previous dead spots, behind rocks etc...flow always being a major issue in larger tanks.

I was also impressed by the quality of the hardware, this being my first Tunze product. Kudos!
 
Seriosly thinking about biting the bullet

Seriosly thinking about biting the bullet

I am really thinking about it. I talked to Roger about the product a little more and now I am thinking about it. I wanna see how much wattage the unit uses. 460 is alot but a two year warranty according to Roger is very good. Also said that everything is pretty much hand made and not Mass produced. Which makes the cost more acceptable. Hoping the wattage is low, Maybe display the cost in my Electric Bill. California is steep on that. Thanks to all the people on the board who have been nice. :rollface:
 
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Trickman2 said:
I am really thinking about it. I talked to Roger about the product a little more and now I am thinking about it. I wanna see how much wattage the unit uses. 460 is alot but a two year warranty according to Roger is very good. Also said that everything is pretty much hand made and not Mass produced. Which makes the cost more acceptable. Hoping the wattage is low, Maybe display the cost in my Electric Bill. California is steep on that. Thanks to all the people on the board who have been nice. :rollface:
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I don't know the wattage on the wave box but I thought I read the motor is a cross or close to the 6100 & 6200. Their wattage is 45w & 62w respectively.

Here is a good link.

http://www.tunze.com/Interzoo-Neuheiten-2004/Flyer 2004/Flyer_2004_E_GBP.pdf
 
kudos to you trickman2 for keeping an open mind and researching a topic and trying to do what is best. i have never owned a tunze product, and it can be a hard bullet to bite sometimes to pay the price, but if this product eliminates the extra powerheads and pumps and eductors, then it sounds great. it does seem like it would be an ideal way to eliminate the dead spots in the tank. thanks.

gm
 
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