brianbigoats
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i think the acan price is a colony price
Tyree SPS corals
- Thread starter Semper Fi 1959
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It's not just about the name. Tyree, Tubs, ORA all have the best broodstock. The colors of the corals they offer are far superior to the average pieces out there. Put a dozen different wild caught or aquacultured Superman montiporas in a tank with 1 tyree and just about anyone that isn't color blind will be able to pick it out of the bunch.
Not to mention that if you get one of these corals you know that it has been in captivity for several generations and has adapted well to captive life.
Not to mention that if you get one of these corals you know that it has been in captivity for several generations and has adapted well to captive life.
Travis
10 and over club
You mentioned earlier that you are going to let your corals grow large and not have a bonsai reef. 50 corals plus "the ones you already have" will not allow for that. It doesn't seem like much now but when your 50+ corals get to the point where they are all over 6-12" around then they will be all growing into each other and not able to grow into large colonies. You also mentioned that you aren't going to be fragging your corals for $$. What do you plan on doing when all your corals start growing into each other and shading each other? Throw the frags in the trash?
As for the first frag pack you got, I would say that is an amazing deal there!:eek2: I'm not a big fan of the other frag pack though. Those frags are mostly just pieces that broke off of wild colonies during shipement. Wild coral frags from colonies that have not been grown out in tanks tend not to do the best.
These "naming" threads always seem to come to the same result. A split camp between the sps keepers. It will always be that way. At least the discussion is a lot more respectful than these discussions used to be.
Semper Fi 1959
In Memoriam
ya know, i never really thought about what happens when they start getting HUGE. i guess ill have to frag em up. and no, i wont throw them out. lol i know a guy that put xenia in his reef and regrets it now...he harvests the heck out of it and throws it out his back door. not exactly what i like to hear him do with it...but nobody wants it and he cant sell the stuff.
i figured 50 little guys would grow into a tank that looks kinda like wayne shangs reef. www.underseadiscovery.com thats my goal. not that some others on here arent amazing, its just that his is the first that comes to my mind. plus id LOVE to get my corals/clams to spawn. thats why i purchased the lunar module with my AQ3 that should be here this week.
we'll see.
i figured 50 little guys would grow into a tank that looks kinda like wayne shangs reef. www.underseadiscovery.com thats my goal. not that some others on here arent amazing, its just that his is the first that comes to my mind. plus id LOVE to get my corals/clams to spawn. thats why i purchased the lunar module with my AQ3 that should be here this week.
we'll see.
sailfish2
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LE
LE
I would like to see a system were the reefers not just the farmers can nominate corals for LE status. Some sort of system that allows more reefers to get involved anything were it dose not look and smell so much like collusion. I like naming frags but do not like the idea of limiting the number of them that can be sold. That is simply price fixing and collusion witch in the United states is illegal. Just like false advertising which is also rampant in this hobby. (Salt sold stating NSW levels when it’s not) I do own LE and will buy more if they are corals I desire. Like I said earlier I have nothing against naming and linage I just think the system could be improved and controlled more by the reefer society as a whole.
Who knows maybe I am just better because I have some corals that should be LE. I am not a farmer so I doubt I would ever have the opportunity to even show them to the right people.
Joe
LE
I would like to see a system were the reefers not just the farmers can nominate corals for LE status. Some sort of system that allows more reefers to get involved anything were it dose not look and smell so much like collusion. I like naming frags but do not like the idea of limiting the number of them that can be sold. That is simply price fixing and collusion witch in the United states is illegal. Just like false advertising which is also rampant in this hobby. (Salt sold stating NSW levels when it’s not) I do own LE and will buy more if they are corals I desire. Like I said earlier I have nothing against naming and linage I just think the system could be improved and controlled more by the reefer society as a whole.
Who knows maybe I am just better because I have some corals that should be LE. I am not a farmer so I doubt I would ever have the opportunity to even show them to the right people.
Joe
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sailfish2
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LE
While I am at it what about a RC coral of the year or month.
Also I was talking to some one at the Gerogia aquarium and was told that once the sps get to large they will frag them but can not sell them. He said at his former aquarium they would throw them away by the trash can full.
It had something to do with zoological assoc. & not making money off the animals. What a waist.
Sure would be cool to have Georgia Aquarium Blue Stag.
Save a little reef & support your aquarium & their research.
Joe
LE
While I am at it what about a RC coral of the year or month.
Also I was talking to some one at the Gerogia aquarium and was told that once the sps get to large they will frag them but can not sell them. He said at his former aquarium they would throw them away by the trash can full.
It had something to do with zoological assoc. & not making money off the animals. What a waist.
Sure would be cool to have Georgia Aquarium Blue Stag.
Save a little reef & support your aquarium & their research.
Joe
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CW from the OC
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Re: LE
Re: LE
That is the most bizarre, and sad, thing I've ever read on these boards. Throwing them away is a tragic loss and shows a complete lack of respect for the animals, IMO. If I lived in Georgia, I would rally the local reefer clubs and try to work something out.
Re: LE
That is the most bizarre, and sad, thing I've ever read on these boards. Throwing them away is a tragic loss and shows a complete lack of respect for the animals, IMO. If I lived in Georgia, I would rally the local reefer clubs and try to work something out.
sailfish2
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LE
LE
It is not happening in Georgia yet. I not sure they have even added sps yet. It happens all over the US and maybe the world. IT has to do with the zoological assoc. not an individual aquariums policy.
Yes i think something should be done & I should make my local club aware of it.
Joe
LE
It is not happening in Georgia yet. I not sure they have even added sps yet. It happens all over the US and maybe the world. IT has to do with the zoological assoc. not an individual aquariums policy.
Yes i think something should be done & I should make my local club aware of it.
Joe
sailfintang
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12596215#post12596215 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Semper Fi 1959
hey, i didnt mean to start a fight here...sounds like its getting hostile. lol the only reason i brought this thread up was BECAUSE i dont know about names. the only reason i say the stuff was 'tyree' was because that was what the named list stated when i got my shipment. they didnt name all 20, just some.
heres what they say i got, which in reality may not be true. but in MY mind, I got a nice 20 pack of sps frags for a pretty good price. tyree or not.
Tyree Ponape
Paletta Baby Blue
YR Vermiculata? (dont know what YR or Vermiculata means)
CA Tort
Surf and Turf
Tyree Baby Blue
YR Green Table
Bali Green Slimer
YR Blue Selago
Green Pavona
Orange Pavona
Tubs Neon Green Birdsnest
Tyree Birdsnest
C-Quarium (unknown)
again, im not big on naming, could care less. I care about $$...for $8.75 you could call it BOBS SPS and I'd buy it.
I'll take some pics of the frags I got and YOU tell me what i received. either way, im happy!
Sorry to sidetrack but what site did you order this pack from? Curious becasue I would like to have the ooption to choose what frags go in my pack. Most sites say it's their choice.
Tofumushrooman
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That pack is from Yourreef.com In Norcal. Good buy John will always get you a very colorful pack.
Semper Fi 1959
In Memoriam
it IS their choice, but they allow you to 'request' certain things and 'unrequest' others in the comment section, but again it IS their choice and depends on availability i would guess. my request wasnt too out there, just asked for acros and no monti caps or pocillapora.
pretty easy request id say.
pretty easy request id say.
Travis
10 and over club
Re: LE
Re: LE
I have a friend that has worked at several aquariums across the country. It is true that they cannot sell their fragments. However, they do participate in a lot of trading between other aquariums and also saving the frags and doing research with them. I don't think too many of those frags actually end up in the garbage.
Re: LE
I have a friend that has worked at several aquariums across the country. It is true that they cannot sell their fragments. However, they do participate in a lot of trading between other aquariums and also saving the frags and doing research with them. I don't think too many of those frags actually end up in the garbage.
Travis
10 and over club
Good luck on that one. When sites are selling large frag packs at cheap prices like that it is to unload bulk stock. I doubt you are really going to have much say in what ends up in your pack (as far as LE's and exotics are concerned) unless you want to pay the actual going rate for those pieces.
Tofumushrooman
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You might think so but us that locals that live in the sacramento are know YR to be very willing to work with customers and never send second rate frags. Although it doesnt guarentee such and such you wont be dissapointed with an order from there.
NewbieForever
New member
Well I ordered a YR pack for fun, was cheap enough and although I dont have the rom to keep 20 frags long term, I plan to keep the ones I like and leave the rest in the frag rack till I trade them or get my sons tank ready for SPS. I'll let you know what I get.
AeroD79
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I bought the Tyree Pink Polyped monti for $80 when it was an inch.
Now im selling 1 " x 1/2 " inch pieces for $25. No way the corals should cost more than 50 bucks for a tiny piece due to a name.
I buy LE or tyree stuff just grow it big and sell it for much less. So over time...prices will go down unless another fad kicks in.
Now im selling 1 " x 1/2 " inch pieces for $25. No way the corals should cost more than 50 bucks for a tiny piece due to a name.
I buy LE or tyree stuff just grow it big and sell it for much less. So over time...prices will go down unless another fad kicks in.
Steve1714
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the Tyree "LE" status
the Tyree "LE" status
Here is Tyree's main website http://www.reeffarmers.com here he lists as much info including the Latin name of the coral if identifiable.
He started "South West Coral farmers Market" and several other events around the US to encourage the growth of the local coral growers, and encourage the spread of the captive grown corals.
Dynamic ecomorphology is the site for his books and DVD's
Steve Tyree never names a coral "Tyree limited", people who buy the coral from him (most wait years to get an original frag directly from him) then add the name "Tyree" to the frags they grow out from this original frag. The reason for the "Limited" is that he understands the fact that once enough people are successful with this coral it will no longer be in demand and then it is retired and no longer farmed by Tyree himself.
here is little background and insight that i know about Steve Tyree.
Tyree was first recognized internationally from the shot of his tank in the book "The Reef Aquarium volume one" printed back in 1994. Here it is in the early late 80's early 90's and the best reef tanks in the world are all Soft coral dominated and very drab in color, then there is this one tank that is just exploding with color and it is all stony corals. There were people that thought this was trick photography and accused Tyree of lying and embellishing the image. Steve Tyree was one of the first speakers that went out of his way to find the true Latin name of SPS corals, and was even heckled and criticized for giving a lecture where he did his best to pronounce these names(an obvious indicator of being ahead of the times). Back then there was barley any Internet information and Corals of the world volumes 1,2,3 didn't exist. For Identifying a coral there were very few books, and it usually meant going to a library and going through countless volumes of research parers and comparing sketches and pictures of corals. Back then very few places would even ship stony corals for they were a sure thing to die in transit, and yet here he is keeping the impossible. Tyree is a SPS pioneer and should be considered one of the founding fathers of the SPS era. He has written several books in the past that delve into the natural environment of these stony corals, and unlike allot of authors of reef related books he hasn't "sold-out" for high paying speaking gigs and big book deals and the ego that sometimes fallows, in fact he came out to give a presentation at our Christmas's party a few years back and would not accept any money from our club. It was an awesome lecture in which he went into events such as the accidental infusion of green pigment from a Pocillopora into an Acropora simplex. Pests and parasites to watch out for in your reef and coral pigmentation's. He was one of the first to try to set up a coral farming network such that people from other states could list what they have to share. He has become the "hub" for all the rare and unusual corals that enter the hobby. People quickly realized "If i send Tyree a piece of this coral i have, and it becomes an LE i can make allot of money and make a name for myself". Tyree upon making a coral an LE keeps all information as open as possible by naming the person who discovered the coral, the proper placement in ones tank, lighting, the place of origin in the ocean if known and the scientific name or possible names. Tyree makes a very, very modest living from all this, the people profiting most of from the Tyree name are those reselling it or discovering the original rare coral and submitting it to him. I hate to see his name get bad publicity when he is not receiving any royalties from the use of it in getting top dollar for a "Tyree" coral at market. I have personally known Steve Tyree since 2002 and can vouch for his strong morals, humbleness, and dedication to the continuation of the captive coral farming market.
In conclusion if all hobbyists were to put the background effort Tyree puts into his corals, they sure have a right to sell it for $xxx.xx amount of money.
A painting is just a painting. Without knowing who painted it, when it was painted and why it was painted, it is only worth the the time and materials to make it. Where as a painting done by a known skilled artist and the story behind it's creation that painting can become priceless.
Steve G
the Tyree "LE" status
Here is Tyree's main website http://www.reeffarmers.com here he lists as much info including the Latin name of the coral if identifiable.
He started "South West Coral farmers Market" and several other events around the US to encourage the growth of the local coral growers, and encourage the spread of the captive grown corals.
Dynamic ecomorphology is the site for his books and DVD's
Steve Tyree never names a coral "Tyree limited", people who buy the coral from him (most wait years to get an original frag directly from him) then add the name "Tyree" to the frags they grow out from this original frag. The reason for the "Limited" is that he understands the fact that once enough people are successful with this coral it will no longer be in demand and then it is retired and no longer farmed by Tyree himself.
here is little background and insight that i know about Steve Tyree.
Tyree was first recognized internationally from the shot of his tank in the book "The Reef Aquarium volume one" printed back in 1994. Here it is in the early late 80's early 90's and the best reef tanks in the world are all Soft coral dominated and very drab in color, then there is this one tank that is just exploding with color and it is all stony corals. There were people that thought this was trick photography and accused Tyree of lying and embellishing the image. Steve Tyree was one of the first speakers that went out of his way to find the true Latin name of SPS corals, and was even heckled and criticized for giving a lecture where he did his best to pronounce these names(an obvious indicator of being ahead of the times). Back then there was barley any Internet information and Corals of the world volumes 1,2,3 didn't exist. For Identifying a coral there were very few books, and it usually meant going to a library and going through countless volumes of research parers and comparing sketches and pictures of corals. Back then very few places would even ship stony corals for they were a sure thing to die in transit, and yet here he is keeping the impossible. Tyree is a SPS pioneer and should be considered one of the founding fathers of the SPS era. He has written several books in the past that delve into the natural environment of these stony corals, and unlike allot of authors of reef related books he hasn't "sold-out" for high paying speaking gigs and big book deals and the ego that sometimes fallows, in fact he came out to give a presentation at our Christmas's party a few years back and would not accept any money from our club. It was an awesome lecture in which he went into events such as the accidental infusion of green pigment from a Pocillopora into an Acropora simplex. Pests and parasites to watch out for in your reef and coral pigmentation's. He was one of the first to try to set up a coral farming network such that people from other states could list what they have to share. He has become the "hub" for all the rare and unusual corals that enter the hobby. People quickly realized "If i send Tyree a piece of this coral i have, and it becomes an LE i can make allot of money and make a name for myself". Tyree upon making a coral an LE keeps all information as open as possible by naming the person who discovered the coral, the proper placement in ones tank, lighting, the place of origin in the ocean if known and the scientific name or possible names. Tyree makes a very, very modest living from all this, the people profiting most of from the Tyree name are those reselling it or discovering the original rare coral and submitting it to him. I hate to see his name get bad publicity when he is not receiving any royalties from the use of it in getting top dollar for a "Tyree" coral at market. I have personally known Steve Tyree since 2002 and can vouch for his strong morals, humbleness, and dedication to the continuation of the captive coral farming market.
In conclusion if all hobbyists were to put the background effort Tyree puts into his corals, they sure have a right to sell it for $xxx.xx amount of money.
A painting is just a painting. Without knowing who painted it, when it was painted and why it was painted, it is only worth the the time and materials to make it. Where as a painting done by a known skilled artist and the story behind it's creation that painting can become priceless.
Steve G
