I feel like this thread went in circles with no end in mind. We all know there are many ways to keep a reef, no water changes, lots of water changes, different lights, filtration, supplementation, etc. I just don't see what the point is to get so harsh about an opinion. I think the only real winner here is randy because he kept his input professional and about the facts, while fishytoo was just trying to personally attack people. I love debates but it has to stay about the facts and nothing else.