Zeovit - System

[CUNAReefer]

The Color is really natrual

Hey Mr. Captain. Im honored that your first post was spent on me!

Hey James. Corals look great! Just wondering, you have massive flow on a few of those pieces, some are rocking like mad. Is that OK. I am actually considering going with Zeo for a tank when I move into my new place in about 4 months. I am keeping track of what you are doing here.

Thanks

Neil

Hi Neil, Thank you for your kind comments. The corals are rocking due to the strong wave I have in the tank. Most of the water movement is indirect flow. The only time I have an issue is when a coral receives direct flow from a pump. If you look at the positioning of my pumps, only the Nano Wavebox is aimed at a coral. Unfortunately, I cannot avoid this due to the design of the wavebox. The strong direct flow does cause some minor damage to the coral.

Congrats on your future tank. Feel free to reach out to me with any questions you have. I am always willing to help.

Warmest Regards,
James

 

[CUNAReefer]

Tonight I tested my phosphate again, and my phosphate is 0.00. I have confirmed with two tests. Let this be a BIG reminder to everyone how strong ZEOVit is. I tested my flow again and I am actually at 16oz in 8 seconds. I have used a fraction of the recommended zeo media amount for my tank and I was easily able to bring my nutrients down at a dangerous rate. I am now slowing the flow through my reactor. I am feeding 3 tsp for the second night in a row. My nitrate should be .2 and my phosphate should be AT A MINIMUM... AND I REPEAT... AT A MINIMUM .02 I am going to hold off on dosing my zeo bac tonight. Because this is only one night, this is not a problem.

 

[karsseboom]

Also keep in mind when you are first starting out with zeovit there can be po4 bound up in the system and lowering the nutrients in your system may take longer depending on your tank. It can take anywhere from 3-6 months for the nutrients in a system to become depleted before you really achieve ulns. After this the dosing can be lowered or used less often.

 

[CUNAReefer]

Also keep in mind when you are first starting out with zeovit there can be po4 bound up in the system and lowering the nutrients in your system may take longer depending on your tank. It can take anywhere from 3-6 months for the nutrients in a system to become depleted before you really achieve ulns. After this the dosing can be lowered or used less often.

+1 Very well said Karsseboom.

 

[BHD]

Hello Zeovit users,

Do you guys have hair algae at all in your tanks? or the Zeovit drives down nitrate and phosphate so low and keep it there that there are no algae anywhere on the rocks and just a thin layers of algae on the glass?

Thanks

 

[NeilFox]

Also keep in mind when you are first starting out with zeovit there can be po4 bound up in the system and lowering the nutrients in your system may take longer depending on your tank. It can take anywhere from 3-6 months for the nutrients in a system to become depleted before you really achieve ulns. After this the dosing can be lowered or used less often.

Thats Bull ****! Where did you get that from?

 

[Allmost]

Thats Bull ****! Where did you get that from?

what is with you calling everything that you are not aware of names ?

maybe try to learn ? or ask questions politely ? come on neil .... you make alot of claims about being in hobby before god and stuff ... this is not expected ...

po4 bonds to rock and sand and so on ... we call it po4 sink. way to get it out is osmosis .... po4 in water VS po4 in rock ....

lol

 

[fishypets]

Thats Bull ****! Where did you get that from?

Try a Chemistry book.:wavehand:

 

[reefer91]

Thats Bull ****! Where did you get that from?

:debi: Someone needs a time out... Ever heard of diffusion or equilibrium or concentration gradients???

Explain yourself. This and your wife thread make me think you are doing a bit of drunk posting to be honest.

 

[Chrisrush]

Hi James,
I have a quick question and I want to update my word doc (zeo-ish guide)

Flow rate:
Increase to decrease PO4?
Decrease to increase PO4?

Stones:
Increase to decrease Nitrates?
Decrease to increase Nitrates?

 

[Allmost]

higher flow and more stones, will reduce more P and N respectively.

but you do not want to go above recommended range.

 

[CUNAReefer]

Hi James,
I have a quick question and I want to update my word doc (zeo-ish guide)

Flow rate:
Increase to decrease PO4?
Decrease to increase PO4?

Stones:
Increase to decrease Nitrates?
Decrease to increase Nitrates?

Hi Chris,

Hope all is well!

Very good questions. The stones do not remove phosphate or nitrate directly. The stones remove ammonium and ammonia to prevent the nitrification cycle from beginning. The bacteria (zeobac) colonize the zeo media and can further reduce your phosphate when combined with the correct amount of zeostart3. This is why it is important to dose your zeobac and zeostart near your reactor. To answer your question, increased flow through your reactor will reduce your phosphate and nitrate at a faster rate. An increase in stones can reduce your nitrate and phosphate at a faster rate.

From the zeo guide

Zeostart3: This product is a liquid food source and promotes the reproduction of all nitrifying
bacteria in the aquarium. It is therefore very effective in reducing phosphate (PO4) and nitrate (NO3.)

Media: The material does not directly remove nitrite (NO2), nitrate (NO3), or phosphate (PO4) from the tank water. It permanently absorbs ammonium (NH4
+) and ammonia (NH3), the first two chemicals in the nitrification cycle, thus preventing the formation of nitrite (NO2) and nitrate (NO3).

 

[CUNAReefer]

Hi Chris,

Hope all is well!

Very good questions. The stones do not remove phosphate or nitrate directly. The stones remove ammonium and ammonia to prevent the nitrification cycle from beginning. The bacteria (zeobac) colonize the zeo media and can further reduce your phosphate when combined with the correct amount of zeostart3. This is why it is important to dose your zeobac and zeostart near your reactor. To answer your question, increased flow through your reactor will reduce your phosphate and nitrate at a faster rate. An increase in stones can reduce your nitrate and phosphate at a faster rate.

From the zeo guide

Zeostart3: This product is a liquid food source and promotes the reproduction of all nitrifying
bacteria in the aquarium. It is therefore very effective in reducing phosphate (PO4) and nitrate (NO3.)

Media: The material does not directly remove nitrite (NO2), nitrate (NO3), or phosphate (PO4) from the tank water. It permanently absorbs ammonium (NH4
+) and ammonia (NH3), the first two chemicals in the nitrification cycle, thus preventing the formation of nitrite (NO2) and nitrate (NO3).

Allmost beat me to it!

 

[karsseboom]

Thats Bull ****! Where did you get that from?

Not surprised you didn't know about po4 being bound up in systems. After so many year still lots to learn....we are all learning still though!

Just don't be so harsh without first researching.

 

[NeilFox]

what is with you calling everything that you are not aware of names ?

maybe try to learn ? or ask questions politely ? come on neil .... you make alot of claims about being in hobby before god and stuff ... this is not expected ...

po4 bonds to rock and sand and so on ... we call it po4 sink. way to get it out is osmosis .... po4 in water VS po4 in rock ....

lol

I stand corrected! Sorry about being out of line? I am here to learn and share my experience. I am not a God of reefing. I am humbled by some of the new tanks. I will watch and learn. Sorry for appearing like a know it all. I do have a hypothesis though and I think I know what is going on.

 

[NeilFox]

Not surprised you didn't know about po4 being bound up in systems. After so many year still lots to learn....we are all learning still though!

Just don't be so harsh without first researching.

My apologies also go out to you Karsse? You are quite correct. I just had a bad day. I am sorry. I have an idea that may or may not be correct. it is looking plausible but I still could be wrong? I hope we fellow reefers can still be friends. I just went through a bashing of my tank and technic's. I lashed out in anger and that was wrong of me? I love your build and stole a few ideas from you.

 

[CUNAReefer]

No worries, Neil. I'm sure the other reefers will forgive you.

I fed the tank Oyster Feast and some dry food on the evening of 6/6. The next evening my phosphate tested at .09. The dry food helps bring my nutrients up rather quickly. I did not feed the evening of 6/7. I tested my phosphate tonight... .04. This is a good spot to be in. Now just a little tweaking to keep my phosphate in the .02-.03 range.

I was able to get my tank to a near perfect level in the course of a week. Before emptying my reactor, I was running stable with zeo for (guesstimate) 18 months. I have almost no rock (see video above) and have almost no sand in my entire setup. I have quite a bit of flow in my tank that keeps most of the detritus in the water column for easy skimming (again see the video). All of these factors have contributed to my quick reduction in nutrients. I do not recommend this quick of a reduction in nutrients for new zeo users. I was also able to achieve this with 20% (33% if you consider the 60% start up suggestion) of the recommended zeo amount for my tank. Every tank is different, but I do want to stress the importance of taking it slow combined with frequent testing and feeding. I'll continue to run stable with zeo for a month or so... Then I'll show you what the additives do :inlove:

Warmest Regards,
James

 

[plyle02]

Not the best looking tank, but I was happy with what zeovit was doing for my old 70 gallon back in the day I am now running a 20 gallon nano, very little going on with it, but I will surely update my progress. I have some frags going in soon, just have to pick them up, very good score, with some sweet corals. Looking forward to it! I have been back and forth many times on conventional vs. zeovit/ other carbon dosing systems, when I look back, zeovit forced me to be on my game, which in turn led to a nice system. Hope the thread keeps momentum and more users, or those truly interested chime in...
Thanks,

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[coralreefdoc]

My apologies also go out to you Karsse? You are quite correct. I just had a bad day. I am sorry. I have an idea that may or may not be correct. it is looking plausible but I still could be wrong? I hope we fellow reefers can still be friends. I just went through a bashing of my tank and technic's. I lashed out in anger and that was wrong of me? I love your build and stole a few ideas from you.

Yes, you are wrong. Karsseboom was/is completely correct in his intuitive statement above ...

It's one of the many relevant reasons why many advanced reefers/users wait months before beginning to stock their systems, moving slowly throughout the process thereafter. Then you have the idiots, I mean people, who say "what do you mean wait 3months before stocking my system w fish/corals ... You don't need to wait that long, you dont know what your talking about" haha ... We'll leave those 'noobtards' out of this discussion !

Be careful who/what you listen to around here and elsewhere. There is more misinformation carelessly spat out and left to float around, here and elsewhere, by the idiots who think they know what they're talking about but really don't have a clue, than legitimate/insightful/factual information, unfortunately.

 

[CUNAReefer]

Checked the phosphate again today... .03
Nitrates .02
Alk 7.1
Ca 430
Potassium 400

These are always my target params for Zeovit. For those that are following me along with Zeo, I suggest Hanna Checkers for Phosphate and Alk, and Salifert for Ca and K+. I'll be posting some updated pics in my SPS thread later today. These pics will serve as baselines for coloration changes. Stay tuned...

Warmest Regards,
James