130 X 36 x 36 inbound...any suggestions?

I'd like to just point something out. Ive seen someones GPs in person, and they definitely were not suffering bloat, neither swim-bladder related or gas-caused. Yet it seems that other GP's do suffer the symptoms as Ted describes, as well as Karen, along with some Centropyge species.
Perhaps it is safe to say that nobody is slanting the truth, and that individual fish are reacting differently to a specific ingredient that is in a certain batches of LRS foods! If it was a common ingredient, say clam meat, that was bought in bulk and used in batches of several of his blends, then it might show in certain fish no matter which blend the aquarist is feeding. That is up to Larry to divulge.

Probiotics in fish is an interesting concept as well. Different Taxa/species of fish have a differnt bacterial flora inside their gut, which aids in digestion of whichever type of food that fish feeds on. Be it an herbivore, which studies have shown rely heavily on bacteria to help digest Algae, or an Omnivore, that eats both algae and meaty items.

Hey Gris,

Did you see the Gp a few hours after they ate just LRF? If you just see the fish and don't live with them and constantly see them, I am not sure how you can say they are symptom free...there was also a discussion back then that, since some of the symptoms were minor, some people might not be able to identify signs of bloat...

Remember, as stated, my Gp got it much less frequently and less severe then the others. All reported seeing it with Karen reporting it first..

Many different ingredients were considered with the probiotics and garlic looked at first but when we received stripped down version of LRF without those ingredients, the condition did not clear-up...
when I spoke with Karen the other day, she mentioned perhaps it was the white fish...
we also discussed some other fish and I recommended that Karen get some of Larry's new food with black worms, and she did (I wanted to send her live black worms but it is not allowed)...Larry mentioned that in his opus above...lol, yeah, I helped him again....
 
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You are correct. I don't live with them, I don't possess any myself nor do/did I spend hours with them.

I was pointing only to the general health of the GPs I saw. Not in a bloated state, on a couple, random occasions.

And yes... almost all good deeds, IME, end poorly...
 
Sadly, don't have GPs, but I do feed Reef Frenzy to my pair of Centropyge aurantia, and a few other deep water fish (P. ventralis) and have had no signs of bloat, thankfully. Do you still have this problem now that you're no longer using it? What are you using now?

I still see it when I use LRF but only in the Gp and some centropyge...
I also use spir brine, plankton, Mysis, angel/butterfly blends, live brine/pods, nori, and fresh seafood...
 
Thanks...

Karen was the first person who reported seeing bloat in the Gp last August and all who have them have seen it...this is a forum where we share what works and what does not work...

more to the point- many of you thought I was working for or with Larry, that I was his shill...I never received anything, zero, nada, as compensation for all I did for him...

oops, I made the mistake of saying, "look at all I did for you, how about sending me some free food? " he totally shut me down and lol, defriended me on fb...I am not the first...

overall, it is most definitely the best food I have ever used...

However, I will never feed it to my Gp or centropyge....and if you see any white stringy poop hanging from your fish or worse see any buoyancy issues, STOP feeding it and see if that condition clears up....

If you want to see a pic of the poop and bubbles there are pics in here from months ago...

My dad would have said, "no good deed goes unpunished."

Ted
 
Thanks...

Karen was the first person who reported seeing bloat in the Gp last August and all who have them have seen it...this is a forum where we share what works and what does not work...

more to the point- many of you thought I was working for or with Larry, that I was his shill...I never received anything, zero, nada, as compensation for all I did for him...

oops, I made the mistake of saying, "look at all I did for you, how about sending me some free food? " he totally shut me down and lol, defriended me on fb...I am not the first...

overall, it is most definitely the best food I have ever used...

However, I will never feed it to my Gp or centropyge....and if you see any white stringy poop hanging from your fish or worse see any buoyancy issues, STOP feeding it and see if that condition clears up....

If you want to see a pic of the poop and bubbles there are pics in here from months ago...

My dad would have said, "no good deed goes unpunished."

Ted

Like I said you have no reason to lie about it and neither does Karen. As far as Larry goes he will get over it, if not he will look extremely desperate and the more he keeps sighting that his food isn't causing bloat the more he incriminates his food. "Defriending on Facebook" LMAO... Just childish. At the end of the day Larry's buisness will suffer from this... Ted you will be affected about as much as a cloudy day
 
Thanks...

I never received anything, zero, nada, as compensation for all I did for him...

oops, I made the mistake of saying, "look at all I did for you, how about sending me some free food? " he totally shut me down and lol, defriended me on fb...I am not the first...

I said my peace and had made a decision to leave the thread alone but I am not going to have myself painted as a greedy, selfish "bad guy." I have always been grateful for the props and introductions Ted has given me which has bolstered our name in the hobby.

With that being said Ted has received deep discounts on food over the past couple of years was well as FREE LRS Swag, to include a Gp Polo shirt and most recently a food strainer via US mail which I sent unannounced. There has been free food mailed as well. I have always attempted to be gracious and show my gratitude in ways that I could.

You were not "de-friended" because you asked for free food. You and I both know the reasons which were explained in an email exchange. I had been sending text and emails trying to have a meaningful conversation with you and catch up on details since December and you never answered the phone or texts with more than a "I'm too busy..." All the while you continued to see you uploading videos and pics to this thread so I had assumed you didn't desire any further contact.

Lets agree to keep this thread directed to the nature of the fish and not drag our dirty laundry into the public arena.
 
I said my peace and had made a decision to leave the thread alone but I am not going to have myself painted as a greedy, selfish "bad guy." I have always been grateful for the props and introductions Ted has given me which has bolstered our name in the hobby.

With that being said Ted has received deep discounts on food over the past couple of years was well as FREE LRS Swag, to include a Gp Polo shirt and most recently a food strainer via US mail which I sent unannounced. There has been free food mailed as well. I have always attempted to be gracious and show my gratitude in ways that I could.

You were not "de-friended" because you asked for free food. You and I both know the reasons which were explained in an email exchange. I had been sending text and emails trying to have a meaningful conversation with you and catch up on details since December and you never answered the phone or texts with more than a "I'm too busy..." All the while you continued to see you uploading videos and pics to this thread so I had assumed you didn't desire any further contact.

Lets agree to keep this thread directed to the nature of the fish and not drag our dirty laundry into the public arena.

Jesus Larry your ruining a great thread... Why don't you start your own thread about this?
 
Hey bud,

I think when I started taking those first pics I had all the lights on, they were so tiny they were often virtually impossible to see.
They are still very blue, though, honestly, I am not sure if it is decreasing or increasing...
I took a pic of them the other day and will swear that it shows one of their pecs going orange, though I don't see it when I stare at the fish...
Here are some pics from the past 10 months...the first bunch are recent, then back to the first days and 1 or 2 from around 4 months old...












not sure I ever posted this....Wen's broodstock for the tb Clarion....

Back to things that are important
 
I said my peace and had made a decision to leave the thread alone but I am not going to have myself painted as a greedy, selfish "bad guy." I have always been grateful for the props and introductions Ted has given me which has bolstered our name in the hobby.

With that being said Ted has received deep discounts on food over the past couple of years was well as FREE LRS Swag, to include a Gp Polo shirt and most recently a food strainer via US mail which I sent unannounced. There has been free food mailed as well. I have always attempted to be gracious and show my gratitude in ways that I could.

You were not "de-friended" because you asked for free food. You and I both know the reasons which were explained in an email exchange. I had been sending text and emails trying to have a meaningful conversation with you and catch up on details since December and you never answered the phone or texts with more than a "I'm too busy..." All the while you continued to see you uploading videos and pics to this thread so I had assumed you didn't desire any further contact.

Lets agree to keep this thread directed to the nature of the fish and not drag our dirty laundry into the public arena.

Please, leave my tread alone...you gave me zero...you did nothing for me as I worked endlessly hard to get your name out there...
Koji was me, Lebanon was me, the GP story about your food saving the male was a spin I put on for your benefit (there was other food and info in play that helped the male) and I brought you into the Gp Project, nobody else was going to do that...
the "free" shirt was totally my idea, I helped with the design and offered to pay half of all costs, you excluded me...I paid 20 per flat...and yes, I did stop taking calls from you because it was always about you...I am not the first person you have done this to...

You started airing dirty laundry with the opus you posted on this form Larry, did I tell people you defriended me or stopped sending me food???
btw, who defriends people? wildly mature move...this forum is bout what works and what does not and your food definitely DOES not work for all fish....

I posted pics and details about the bloat LRF cause the GP and centropyge months ago and you didn't have a problem, now you do because back then you knew I would defend you, now, while I will still expound on the benefits of LRF, I also have no problems being totally honest...

I suppose I should just flood fb with all the emails sent between us and others so the full story is revealed...

How many people did you send those lousy strainers, balck towels, rubber bracelets to and how many did what I did for you???

Free swag??...I bought almost 300 dollars worth of swag from you the first time we spoke and you used to tell me I was your single biggest purchaser of your swag, btw, I ordered whiskey glasses with an indigo base, you sent clear base and never replaced with the indigo...but yes, you did send me a tiny black useless towel with your logo on it, some rubber bracelets- the same free stuff you send to all...

What I did for you benefitted your company, your wallet, your family, and your reputation immensely...
What you did for me was to send a totally useless free tiny black towel, useless rubber bracelets, and useless strainer....wouldn't food be the more useful and practical route to returning the love I was showing you and LRS??

I was doing so much for you, at one point you actually thought I was going to drop $15,000 on a Gp for you...

Once you sent some fish roe, that was terrific and was something I could use....

I never received deep discounts people, ever...$20 as compared to $23, and I was buying hundreds of dollars of food at a time, a slight discount seems in order, no???

When you factor in what I did for you businesswise, you should have been sending me a few free packs a month..

I did received free food twice from you....

Once was just after the time I tossed 11 unopened flats due to the bloat issue and we thought it was a bad batch and btw, you sent 8 as a replacement, hmmm, do the math...then I asked you, yes people, I actually had to ask Larry to send me some free food as I was bending over backwards to push his food... but it was me asking, not you doing...and I believe you sent me 6-8 free packs then...

Good luck, I will continue to plug your food while being totally honest at the same time...
 
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Like I said you have no reason to lie about it and neither does Karen. As far as Larry goes he will get over it, if not he will look extremely desperate and the more he keeps sighting that his food isn't causing bloat the more he incriminates his food. "Defriending on Facebook" LMAO... Just childish. At the end of the day Larry's buisness will suffer from this... Ted you will be affected about as much as a cloudy day

Yes, thanks, I couldn't agree more...
 
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