27 clowns in the same tank 27 months~Thread of the Month

Your tank is still just as beautiful as always. A true inspiration to all that see it.

Do you have any guesses as to why 6 of your clowns may be missing? Could it be aggression? Are you missing smaller fish, or is it just random as far as you can tell? Do you think it's possible that they are hiding in the rocks or anemones? I have two clowns in a 40gl and sometimes I'll walk up to the tank and not be able to find one of them.
 
Do you have any guesses as to why 6 of your clowns may be missing? Could it be aggression? Are you missing smaller fish, or is it just random as far as you can tell? Do you think it's possible that they are hiding in the rocks or anemones? I have two clowns in a 40gl and sometimes I'll walk up to the tank and not be able to find one of them.

There is a little aggression between the top guys on the right with a few of the almost top guys on the right. The smallest runt guys always did fine. All the clowns have had close to perfect fins. The worse damage would be a small fin tear on one of the clowns---never anything close to life threatening. I did have two confirmed jumpers, one while I was cleaning the tank and another was found behind the tank. I have never noticed any decease or illness on the clownfish though there was ich on the Flame Angel when it was new. I had a tank problem where the AGA tank had to be replaced because of the bracing cracking. So clowns could had been lost or damaged in that transition. In my tank thread: http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=660686 , I thought I had 26 clowns in the tank so maybe I started with 26 in the tank. So, 26 minus two jumpers is 24. Sometimes I think I can count 23 but it is really hard to catch a picture of that many at once.

May 2006
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Aug 2006:
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Sep 2006
Original mother of all green BTA clones:
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Thanks Mobert. I'll be ordering the sieve. My rots culture is just now starting to build (another guy in my club is raising them also - so we back each other up in case of a crash).

My biggest issue is getting my clowns to lay on something suitable instead of the back wall. I can't stay up all night (last night til 1AM) and they must've hatched between 1 and 8am or mommy ate them. :sad2: That was the fifth (or maybe sixth) batch too. Sigh.

Anyways - thanks for the inspiration...I shall persevere...
 
I love this! I've always wanted to breed clowns...I'm actually picking up a pair of black ones today. Maybe one day they will spawn. How long have you been doing this?
 
I love Clowns and anemones, so this is my dream tank!! Ha Ha.
Here are a few pics of my pride and joy!!

Angelle



Snowflake
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Picassos
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God what I wouldn't give for just a week to observe the behaviors going on in that tank. Hands down the most beautiful thing I've ever seen. Soooo many questions for you

Do you get alot of time to observe their social structure? At any times did the pair on the left tolerate the presence of neutrals? How many pairs have formed on the right? Do you notice less open aggression from the pairs? Are there any ruthless individuals on the right that seem to specifically single out certain others?
 
My biggest issue is getting my clowns to lay on something suitable instead of the back wall.

Try to cover the back wall with tiles. I put tiles everywhere when I raised Clarkii, though it is pretty hard to place tiles on the vertical spot the Percs are laying eggs now. The rubber bands tend to break after awhile. IME, eggs usually hatch within the first hour or two after lights out. Is there a chance that you disturbed them with a flashlight or room light? That could put them off and delay the hatch.

Great progression shots! The tank looks much bluer back whenever that was.

It's the camera and my picture taking skills. The tank has the same lights.

At any times did the pair on the left tolerate the presence of neutrals? How many pairs have formed on the right? Do you notice less open aggression from the pairs? Are there any ruthless individuals on the right that seem to specifically single out certain others?

Thanks for your question. You hit it right on the head on what makes this tank so interesting.....the social interaction!!! I think there is only one true pair in the tank. The pair on the left are the only ones that stay together exclusively. The guys on the right does group living still. No one is bonded to just one other clown, there is no egg laying, no rock biting, very little shimmy shaking, etc. They seem to have a hierarchy but there is very little shifting or challenging of position. No one has been challenged for ages. I did try to add a black and white baby Occellaris. I had to remove him after a few days. EVERYBODY attacked him when he swam by and the little guy kept trying to be part of the group and swimming in open water. He could have easily claimed a corner of the tank but he kept trying to go in the anemones. I will probably try it again with baby Percs or Blue Eyed Clarkii especially if there are any that I need to cull.

Night time is when the clowns go to their favorite sleeping spot and when they are most likely jockey for position. This video I posted on YouTube awhile back shows what it is like:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qu3tI1dua2I

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The Tunze Streams (powerheads) were off in the video. There is usually more turbulence.
The pair on the left do not tolerate anyone else going into the Mag but they swim freely on the right side with no fighting when they want to.

How many RBTA's are in your tank!

It is just as hard to count anemones as it is to count clowns. LOL
I can see 14 most of the time but there are probably 18. I removed 20 recently and the ones remaining still fill up the whole right side and compete for light.

This is one of the most stunning tanks I have seen in the hobby. Congrats on your success and please keep posting pics!! :)

Thanks for this and everyone's encouragement. I am learning a lot about posting videos. Hope to have something up soon of decent quality.
 
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i love watching your tank. i would like to see it with the normal flow too!

very interesting about the behavior and only one mature pair in the tank.

what and how much do you feed?
 
what and how much do you feed?

Did you see the feeding videos?
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I feed like a full ice cube size piece every other day in addition to Spectrum pellets twice a day. The fish food is as close as I can get to Eric Borneman's Coral food recipe (google is your friend).
 
Truely amazing. Keep the videos coming. Any idea how often your BTA's split?

Hard to say how often they split but I was removing maybe six a month when I had maybe 40 anemones.....

Here's a new video of my babies in their new home:

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There are maybe 27 :) babies put in with an old male clownfish. The older male looks happy and is very friendly to all the babies. He is probably six years old and used to live with an orange Occellaris. He and the babies will move to a 250 gallon tank when they get too big for this 40 gallon. (My sister's tanks). Interesting that their color is not as red as the parents at this age. I think it is because the parents got a lot of frozen cyclop-eeze when they were small.

Here's a pic of the male back in 2004:
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He hasn't grown much compared to the Occellaris.
 
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I have a 90 gallon and I really want to do the same thing that you did in this tank to the 90 gallon. I have some questions though, how many clowns could I keep in the tank with no aggression? (I will be purchasing new borns that I know are having no aggression problems in the tank they are in before I purchase them) I was thinking around 8 since you said under 7 is dangerous. How many RBTA's should I get for the tank? Will the clowns fight with a sixline wrasse? Do the clowns pair up or are they all just one big school? And last question is powerheads... I am thinking 2 koralia 3s but I do not want the anemones to float into the powerheads, how can I prevent this? Should I use the same idea as you, 2 islands with lots of flow in between the two of them to prevent the anemones from moving?
 
I have a 90 gallon and I really want to do the same thing that you did in this tank to the 90 gallon. I have some questions though, how many clowns could I keep in the tank with no aggression? (I will be purchasing new borns that I know are having no aggression problems in the tank they are in before I purchase them) I was thinking around 8 since you said under 7 is dangerous. How many RBTA's should I get for the tank? Will the clowns fight with a sixline wrasse? Do the clowns pair up or are they all just one big school? And last question is powerheads... I am thinking 2 koralia 3s but I do not want the anemones to float into the powerheads, how can I prevent this? Should I use the same idea as you, 2 islands with lots of flow in between the two of them to prevent the anemones from moving?

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I will try to answer a few questions but it is best for you to start your own separate thread as I only know what worked for me and I really don't know if 7-8 clowns will work. It does seem that I only have one pair on the left in the Magnifica and the rest of them are on the right doing the group living thing. The two on the left rarely goes over to the right and vise versa. No fighting with the sixline wrasse at all. You need to protect the anemones from the powerheads. I have never had an accident but my anemones are established, happy and well attached. I have only had one newly introduced anemone let go and float. Your flow should be enough that the tentacles reach up into the flow and sway back and forth. They do not like direct flow onto their base. If you try to do multiple clowns, you definitely should try True Percs, maybe Occellaris or Skunks. Do not try with other types of clowns. Best of Luck.
 
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