600gal (96x48x30)

[tomasz]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6472942#post6472942 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by asnatlas
I only have the one 2"drain on the tank Looks like I might have to cut another new hole in the tank to install a sched 80 BH so that I can have a feed like for the skimmer...

If I have the 2" drain and install a new 1" to feed the skimmer I will have a problem with skimming ?? I will get quite a bit more water going through the 2" vs the 1"...

Shawn did you think about insstalling Y on the drain and have one end go to skimmer and the other to sump. Also you can install ball valves on each end and regulate the flow this way. This way no additional drilling in the tank.

 

[cward]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6473415#post6473415 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by tomasz
Shawn did you think about insstalling Y on the drain and have one end go to skimmer and the other to sump. Also you can install ball valves on each end and regulate the flow this way. This way no additional drilling in the tank.

The y will not work either. It's the same principal as having a tee. I tried the y fitting on my drain and it was a no go. Because of gravity, the water will be pulled down vertically. Since he only has one drain (which is a no, no) I would not restrict it at all.

 

[cward]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6472967#post6472967 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by melev
You sure about that? I think I've come up with a workable solution. You've not written that check quite yet, as far as I know.

Okay, here's my <i>solution</i>...

You need a flatbed truck or trailer. If you can't find one, Uhaul rents trucks for $20 a day. A bargain.

You'll need a few 2x4s or 4x4s. I would place these on the trailer. That way when you and your group of hobbyists put the tank down, no fingers get crushed due to those beams. Strap it in place. Free.

You'll need a skid / sled to slide the tank down the stairs. I would glue/screw 2x4s under the bottom of a sheet of plywood (although MDF is smoother and would fly down those stairs. :lol: ) A long piece of rope could be secured to the front of the sled via eye bolts screwed into a 2x4 or 2x6 front rail. This board would keep the tank from sliding forward off the sled, and the eyebolts would allow you to thread the rope through them.

Your group lowers the tank onto the sled, and it is angled down the stairs with everyone focusing on the tank and the rope. 4 people could hold the rope easily, and wearing gloves should have no problem. As people take their hands off the tank, they could assist with the holding of the rope. Hand over hand they feed out more and more rope and the sled goes down the steps.

Near the bottom of the steps, I would have a couple of 2x6s going from the second step to the floor of the basement. This will allow the tank and sled to slide forward off the steps but not be flush with the floor.

Now all workers can cluster around the tank, and pick it up to put it on the stand.

Total cost? $200: $75 for wood, eyebolts and rope & $125 for beer and pizza for the conquering heros!

:lol: :lol: :lol:
And just think, you could win the grand prize on "Funniest Home Video's" if we video tape it. But that's after the tank zooms down the stairs and smashes into a million jagged pieces.

 

[dgasmd]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6472925#post6472925 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by asnatlas
Yes I have, they are from aquaticeco.com... I know that dgasmd recommended them for other RC members in the past... If I was going to have something inside the display tank I would use those, but I figured I could use the strainer(s) I have now since I am not worry about sucking any live stock against them...

I am glad to see I started a trend here :lol: :lol: :lol: I would still use these on the return fromt he sump for a couple of reasons:

-you will get snails and things into the sump.
-The ones you have in the picture above will cause a lot of restriction on the suction side of a low RPM pump. Makes you pump run hotter, shortens the life of the pump, cuts on flow/return significantly.

If you look at the picture you posted of the screen, see how much open space vs plastic there is. Very little.

 

[hollback]

Shawn,
I'm confused. The thread is called "600gal (96x48x30)" but you start this thread saying...

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=5560747#post5560747 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by asnatlas

500gal (92x48x28) Starphire (still working with Will at AO on this)...

What is the actual size of this tank?
600gal?
535gal?
500gal?

 

[Volker]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6474266#post6474266 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by hollback
Shawn,
I'm confused. The thread is called "600gal (96x48x30)" but you start this thread saying...



What is the actual size of this tank?
600gal?
535gal?
500gal?

If Shawn is smart he will not answer that question in this thread... you will need to come on location and see for yourself while you help him carry it down the stairs

 

[asnatlas]

 

[sixxer]

Finally!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[asnatlas]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6472967#post6472967 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by melev
You sure about that? I think I've come up with a workable solution. You've not written that check quite yet, as far as I know.

Okay, here's my <i>solution</i>...

You need a flatbed truck or trailer. If you can't find one, Uhaul rents trucks for $20 a day. A bargain.

You'll need a few 2x4s or 4x4s. I would place these on the trailer. That way when you and your group of hobbyists put the tank down, no fingers get crushed due to those beams. Strap it in place. Free.

You'll need a skid / sled to slide the tank down the stairs. I would glue/screw 2x4s under the bottom of a sheet of plywood (although MDF is smoother and would fly down those stairs. :lol: ) A long piece of rope could be secured to the front of the sled via eye bolts screwed into a 2x4 or 2x6 front rail. This board would keep the tank from sliding forward off the sled, and the eyebolts would allow you to thread the rope through them.

Your group lowers the tank onto the sled, and it is angled down the stairs with everyone focusing on the tank and the rope. 4 people could hold the rope easily, and wearing gloves should have no problem. As people take their hands off the tank, they could assist with the holding of the rope. Hand over hand they feed out more and more rope and the sled goes down the steps.

Near the bottom of the steps, I would have a couple of 2x6s going from the second step to the floor of the basement. This will allow the tank and sled to slide forward off the steps but not be flush with the floor.

Now all workers can cluster around the tank, and pick it up to put it on the stand.

Total cost? $200: $75 for wood, eyebolts and rope & $125 for beer and pizza for the conquering heros!

LOL, I didnââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢t see this post until a few min ago, but... You pretty much were on with what Custom Movers did, a little diff in some areas but over all on track... After seeing them do it, I feel it could have been done by local members; I have to say it was alot safer and went alot smother then I was thinking...

 

[asnatlas]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6473967#post6473967 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by cward
:lol: :lol: :lol:
And just think, you could win the grand prize on "Funniest Home Video's" if we video tape it. But that's after the tank zooms down the stairs and smashes into a million jagged pieces.

I have to say, then again they prob may it look eaiser then it was, but it really was not that bad... Both Jeff and I were expecting worse... I am second on his list for "hardest" moves

 

[asnatlas]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6474249#post6474249 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by dgasmd
I am glad to see I started a trend here :lol: :lol: :lol: I would still use these on the return fromt he sump for a couple of reasons:

-you will get snails and things into the sump.
-The ones you have in the picture above will cause a lot of restriction on the suction side of a low RPM pump. Makes you pump run hotter, shortens the life of the pump, cuts on flow/return significantly.

If you look at the picture you posted of the screen, see how much open space vs plastic there is. Very little.

Thanks for your reply dgasmd, I might try the ones I have now and monitor the pump and I might end up swtching to those ones from aquaticeco.com...

 

[dgasmd]

Shawn:

So I guess from here to full of corals and fish should be pretty quick right? So, you should be done by like 6-7 PM tonite right? LOL..................

 

[Travis]

Congrats on getting the tank moved in.:celeb1::celeb2::celeb3:

I thought about your oveflow drain a little and you can tee it off for the skimmer and safely restrict the drain. Here is what you will need to do:

Let's pretend your drain line goes straight down to your sump under the tank so it is just a 2" pipe that goes straight down. I know this isn't the case but it will help me explain it better. At the bottom of the drain you have your ball valve that will help back up the water in the drain so that it goes out the tee to the skimmer. Above where that ball valve is, you have your tee to your skimmer. Now several inches above that tee for the skimmer you add another tee. This tee is your emergency drain tee. From this tee you just put a 90 degree elbow and a straight length of PVC down to the sump. Under normal circumstances you will have everything set so you get a constant flow rate going to your skimmer and a constant flow rate coming out the drain into the sump. But if something happens and you get a restriction to the drain or if you clean your return pump and it starts pushing more flow, then the water in the drain pipe backs up to the emergence drain tee and exits out that and into the sump.

This may sound a bit confusing but it will work and it will work safely. If you don't quite follow me, I can draw up a diagram to show you what I'm getting at.

 

[Volker]

:bounce1: Hooray ! :bounce1:

 

[asnatlas]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6474266#post6474266 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by hollback
Shawn,
I'm confused. The thread is called "600gal (96x48x30)" but you start this thread saying...



What is the actual size of this tank?
600gal?
535gal?
500gal?

I had started this thread before I really knew what size tank I was going with... I was originally going to have it on a diff way in the same room that is now sits... But after talking with dgasmd via a phone call we had a while ago, he brought up a few good points and after thinking them over I decided to have it site on the wall that is now sits on... So the first tank I had my head was going to be (92x48x28) in Starphine and after talking with Will he stated that I would not be able to go over 24" with 1/2" Starphine... I knew I wanted higher then 24" so that of course meant I needed to go with 3/4ââ"šÂ¬Ã‚ Diamante Low Iron Glass so that is when I decided to go with the 30" height and bump it out to 96ââ"šÂ¬Ã‚Ã¢â"šÂ¬Ã‚¦ The thread originally was labeled 500gal (92x48x28)ââ"šÂ¬Ã‚¦

The inside dimensions measure 94.5"x46.5x28.75 for a Tank Display Volume of 546.9gal minus a little for the overflow area... I just call it the 600gal (as for the outside dimensions)...

 

[dgasmd]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6474897#post6474897 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by asnatlas
I had started this thread before I really knew what size tank I was going with... I was originally going to have it on a diff way in the same room that is now sits... But after talking with dgasmd via a phone call we had a while ago, he brought up a few good points and after thinking them over I decided to have it site on the wall that is now sits on...

This is scaring me beyond believe. The fact that I had an influence on anyone, other than the due bad influence on my children, is pretty scary and flattering I sure hope it was the best though.........

 

[asnatlas]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6474773#post6474773 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by dgasmd
Shawn:

So I guess from here to full of corals and fish should be pretty quick right? So, you should be done by like 6-7 PM tonite right? LOL..................

LOL, I wish, I still have a good amount to do... I don't think I will be able to do much until the begging of next week. I couldn't sleep much, didn't lay down until like 4am or something like that and was up again at 8am... I am tired and hungry, going to go get some food and rest for a little and then try to get some smaller things done and out of the way...

 

[law086]

It's amazing what Photoshop can do these days.... I want more proof!!!!

<yuck> <yuck>

OK, OK, just kidding. Now let's get some water in there!!!

Congrates!

Ron

 

[asnatlas]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6474895#post6474895 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Travis
Congrats on getting the tank moved in.:celeb1::celeb2::celeb3:

I thought about your oveflow drain a little and you can tee it off for the skimmer and safely restrict the drain. Here is what you will need to do:

Let's pretend your drain line goes straight down to your sump under the tank so it is just a 2" pipe that goes straight down. I know this isn't the case but it will help me explain it better. At the bottom of the drain you have your ball valve that will help back up the water in the drain so that it goes out the tee to the skimmer. Above where that ball valve is, you have your tee to your skimmer. Now several inches above that tee for the skimmer you add another tee. This tee is your emergency drain tee. From this tee you just put a 90 degree elbow and a straight length of PVC down to the sump. Under normal circumstances you will have everything set so you get a constant flow rate going to your skimmer and a constant flow rate coming out the drain into the sump. But if something happens and you get a restriction to the drain or if you clean your return pump and it starts pushing more flow, then the water in the drain pipe backs up to the emergence drain tee and exits out that and into the sump.

This may sound a bit confusing but it will work and it will work safely. If you don't quite follow me, I can draw up a diagram to show you what I'm getting at.

Thanks Travis I just can't even put into words how I feel about this being done and over with and the tank being on the stand in one piece... I will have to say, they did take awesome care in moving the tank...

As for your description on the "emergency drain" I think I know what you mean... Letââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢s try to put it with my setup nowââ"šÂ¬Ã‚¦ Since my 2" drain will come out of the back of the tank and 90 and pretty much go horizontally (at a slight angle downward) to the ref... I would have the T feeding the skimmer facing the floor and before that my "emergency drain" could be facing the ceiling and I could have it 90 and 90 again going into the ref or sump for a backup drain ?? Does that make since ??

 

[asnatlas]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6475029#post6475029 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by dgasmd
This is scaring me beyond believe. The fact that I had an influence on anyone, other than the due bad influence on my children, is pretty scary and flattering I sure hope it was the best though.........

LOL, really talking with you on the phone was a big help... Taking what you said to mind and also speaking to local members and just posting here on RC, all were very big help, I could not have got as far as I did without all of the help... Like I said I still have some work to go, but should be smooth sailing from here on out (I hope and pray)...