Achilles Tang Primer

[ryshark]

I'm sorry to hear about your loss. If you don't mind me asking, what other tangs did you have in there with him? what do you have for flow? what skimmer? how often were you feeding the achilles? I just want to see if there are some more obvious reasons why this happened.

 

[SMOOTHIE]

Sorry about your loss. I am planning my 180 upgrade around this fish. I do not have one yet and will not until it is up and cycled. Before I transfer anything over from my 100gal I was thinking of using the 180 (once ready) as the qt for this fish and hypo the tank with only sand, base rock and some live rock for seeding from my current tank. Any advice on this plan guys?

 

[ryshark]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15720362#post15720362 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by SMOOTHIE
Sorry about your loss. I am planning my 180 upgrade around this fish. I do not have one yet and will not until it is up and cycled. Before I transfer anything over from my 100gal I was thinking of using the 180 (once ready) as the qt for this fish and hypo the tank with only sand, base rock and some live rock for seeding from my current tank. Any advice on this plan guys?

Not a good idea, the hypo at 1.009 (which you need to kill ich) will also kill the live rock causing ammonia etc. Unless you plan on doing huge daily water changes... which would stress the Achilles out. But thats, just my opinion

 

[Mike de Leon]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15720490#post15720490 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ryshark
Not a good idea, the hypo at 1.009 (which you need to kill ich) will also kill the live rock causing ammonia etc. Unless you plan on doing huge daily water changes... which would stress the Achilles out. But thats, just my opinion

Have done it in the past. It does not kill bacteria in LR. it does work. It will kill other things though and could cause a spike in Ammonia. I did it with plenty of water changes.
Hypo can cause other problems with the swim bladder on a Tang.

QUARANTINE KILLS ACHILLES tangs! GET A SPECIMEN THAT IS IN EXCELLENT SHAPE.

 

[SMOOTHIE]

Thanks for the quick feedback. Already planned on driving to Atlanta or ordering from LA just to get the best fish possible.

 

[eho72]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15718052#post15718052 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ryshark
I'm sorry to hear about your loss. If you don't mind me asking, what other tangs did you have in there with him? what do you have for flow? what skimmer? how often were you feeding the achilles? I just want to see if there are some more obvious reasons why this happened.

I have a small hippo tang, a regal angelfish, and an occelaris clown. For flow, I have 2 vortech mp40w that produce a crazy amount of flow in my aquarium. Skimmer is a Euro-reef RC-180. This skimmer works great and is rated for a much larger aquarium. I feed my tank 3 times a day using a combination of mysis, marine cuisine, clam on half shell, formula 2 pellets. Also, Nori is always available on a clip.

 

[ryshark]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15720740#post15720740 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Mike de Leon
Have done it in the past. It does not kill bacteria in LR. it does work. It will kill other things though and could cause a spike in Ammonia. I did it with plenty of water changes.
Hypo can cause other problems with the swim bladder on a Tang.

QUARANTINE KILLS ACHILLES tangs! GET A SPECIMEN THAT IS IN EXCELLENT SHAPE.

Kill other things...which are in the Live Rock.... same difference. Ammonia rises and huge daily water changes would be needed. I think we are both on the same page.

 

[ryshark]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15723280#post15723280 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by eho72
I have a small hippo tang, a regal angelfish, and an occelaris clown. For flow, I have 2 vortech mp40w that produce a crazy amount of flow in my aquarium. Skimmer is a Euro-reef RC-180. This skimmer works great and is rated for a much larger aquarium. I feed my tank 3 times a day using a combination of mysis, marine cuisine, clam on half shell, formula 2 pellets. Also, Nori is always available on a clip.

It sounds like you did everything you could do, that fish may have been doomed regardless.

 

[Mike de Leon]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15723386#post15723386 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ryshark
Kill other things...which are in the Live Rock.... same difference. Ammonia rises and huge daily water changes would be needed. I think we are both on the same page.

No we are not. The bacteria responsible for nitrification stays alive. It will convert ammonia to nitrate.
Other things that may die, tiny organisms like mysis and the like. Very small corals etc. I did it. It works. I had an issue with gall bladder control on a Powder Blue. They often get affected by hypo.
Tangs in general....Cheers:rollface:

 

[ryshark]

I never said it kills the bacteria. I have done hypo successfully in a QT with a bio-wheel filter which had an established bacteria population. Still needed to do lots of pwc. If you do it with live rock it will even be worse, in regards to ammonia spiking.

 

[Mike de Leon]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15725411#post15725411 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ryshark
I never said it kills the bacteria. I have done hypo successfully in a QT with a bio-wheel filter which had an established bacteria population. Still needed to do lots of pwc. If you do it with live rock it will even be worse, in regards to ammonia spiking.

We are on the same page!

 

[SMOOTHIE]

Should have stated that it is clean, dry, very pourous base rock. The live rock I could just leave in my current tank and use water changed from that tank to cycle it. I am reading up on the health issues you guys have stated to learn more about them. Thanks

 

[Yurivd]

i love a achilles tang but in south africa thy go for 500 too 600 usd for a fish that die easy is not a good thing

 

[maverickdia]

i love a achilles tang too. In Moscow it is expensive fish 800$. Now in my tank achilles lives the second week. He eats all granules flakes a squid, missis.

 

[reefslugs]

I'm back with force!

I'm back with force!

I'm back with force! It's a long storey but one of my local store owners wanted a rose anenamy. I gave him one and he asked what do you want for it. I said I'll take a achillies tang. I waited and waited. At another store that I go to they got in a beuatiful achillies that was eating right off the bat and was clean. I ended up taking him home. I've had him for about three weeks with no problems. Eats anything I put into the tank with no ich. Then the owner who owed me a fish stopped by my house Friday with an achillies. I did not have the heart to tell him I went else where. So I took a chance. Look whats going on in my tank.

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[Mike de Leon]

Wow! Congrats on the fishes! I hope they both do well! Don't do anything with the tank for a while and make sure your water conditions are pristine. Good luck..

 

[WuHT]

hehe some of the hong kong fish tanks with multiple achilles were met with much criticism within this board.

Anyways looks good, and I definately want to see what happens when time passes.

 

[Flower1459]

Finally Bit the Bullet

Finally Bit the Bullet

I finally bit the bullet. Been looking/researching achilles tangs for over a year now for my 180. When I got the tank last year I pretty much set up the entire thing with the achilles in mind. Back in June I asked my LFS owner to order me a good one in since I always seem to miss out on the DD ones. Almost 5 months later he finally got me one. Haven't seen it yet, though, he's had it at the store for a week - I've been dying to go see him but my nutty work schedule has prevented me from doing so. I'm hoping that by Thursday at the very latest he'll be all cozied up in my tank. The owner says he's absolutely gorgeous at 5 inches and apparently there's a line of people trying to snatch him out from under me. I'm like a kid on Christmas morning! :spin3: Can't wait to finally see him! Wish me luck!!

 

[Rickyrooz1]

I wish I could keep one, maybe in my future tank.

 

[ryshark]

I finally bit the bullet. Been looking/researching achilles tangs for over a year now for my 180. When I got the tank last year I pretty much set up the entire thing with the achilles in mind. Back in June I asked my LFS owner to order me a good one in since I always seem to miss out on the DD ones. Almost 5 months later he finally got me one. Haven't seen it yet, though, he's had it at the store for a week - I've been dying to go see him but my nutty work schedule has prevented me from doing so. I'm hoping that by Thursday at the very latest he'll be all cozied up in my tank. The owner says he's absolutely gorgeous at 5 inches and apparently there's a line of people trying to snatch him out from under me. I'm like a kid on Christmas morning! :spin3: Can't wait to finally see him! Wish me luck!!

Cool, make sure to post pictures when you get him