Anyone Thinking of Dumping LEDS and going back to Halides

[Uncle Salty 05]

LOL, Forget MH, natural colors, snorkeling, it all has nothing to do with what I'm saying.


IME, no.
The royal blue LEDs produce a black-light effect on coral that I have never seen with mh or t5. It's the look that makes some people go gaga for LED.
So again, if you know of a blue T5 bulb or combo of T5 bulbs that gives the same effect, do tell.
I don't want this, I'm just responding to the guy you were responding to about using all 3 types of lighting.

Then what you are saying is "looking natural" is looking the way you think it should look. Not natural at all.
If you snorkeled or dove, then you would know that color changes with depth.
A 420nm T5 will provide that same black-light effect.

Oh yeah, LOL.

 

[d2mini]

Then what you are saying is "looking natural" is looking the way you think it should look. Not natural at all.

A 420nm T5 will provide that same black-light effect.

Oh yeah, LOL.

I'd like to know which one in particular you prefer.
Didn't realize that was such a hard question that required snide remarks and argument for arguments sake.

 

[Uncle Salty 05]

Your LOLing and GAGA remarks are not snide, but when I point out the fact that you don't know what "natural" is, that is snide.
You are too funny.:spin2:

 

[Uncle Salty 05]

Oh, and by the way I like and use them both, just on different tanks.

 

[Johnseye]

I'd like to know which one in particular you prefer.

Question hasn't been answered. I'm still not convinced MH and T5s alone will bring out the same colors as LEDs.

 

[Uncle Salty 05]

The question was answered:
"All color can and are seen with MH and T5.
It just depends on your array of T5s and the color temperature of your MHs."

LEDs do not "bring out" anything, they shed an unnatural light that some find appealing, that does not help your coral in any way.

 

[Johnseye]

So now you're saying that LEDs don't help your corals in any way? You sure about that? I think if that were the case then the coral would die, the color would be unappealing and no one would buy them.
I also wouldn't call LED light unnatural. It's just not what you're used to.

My original question was...

Is this fact?

the OP's reply to you was...

IME, no.
The royal blue LEDs produce a black-light effect on coral that I have never seen with mh or t5. It's the look that makes some people go gaga for LED.
So again, if you know of a blue T5 bulb or combo of T5 bulbs that gives the same effect, do tell.
I don't want this, I'm just responding to the guy you were responding to about using all 3 types of lighting.

So, what array of MH and/or T5 bulbs produce the same spectrum as LEDs?

 

[grigsy]

So now you're saying that LEDs don't help your corals in any way? You sure about that?

They do, they just don't help corals in as much as metal halides do, especially if its SPS.

 

[grigsy]

So, what array of MH and/or T5 bulbs produce the same spectrum as LEDs?

It's actually sort of the other way around.

Most marketing put out by LED companies try to compare their LED light to benefits of a metal halide light.

You see this one often "This LED light replicates the light of a 250 watt metal halide". I never have found that to be the case.

 

[Uncle Salty 05]

So now you're saying that LEDs don't help your corals in any way?



So, what array of MH and/or T5 bulbs produce the same spectrum as LEDs?

I did not say LED's don't help your corals. I run LEDs on my main DT.
I said that LEDs can produce unnatural coloration that does not help your corals. They have to be set correctly to benefit your corals. Too much royal blue will make colors pop and be pleasing to the eye, but that does not benefit your corals.

And I already answered the question as to which T5s to use to supplement MH. 420nm and 453nm.

Try reading.

 

[d2mini]

Your LOLing and GAGA remarks are not snide, but when I point out the fact that you don't know what "natural" is, that is snide.
You are too funny.:spin2:

Yeah, I'm a riot. Especially when I'm pointing out that you couldn't answer a simple question with a simple statement like "UVL Super Actinic".

Instead you want to argue about what coral look like under 15" of water.

Pathetic. :facepalm:

 

[Johnseye]

I did not say LED's don't help your corals. I run LEDs on my main DT.
I said that LEDs can produce unnatural coloration that does not help your corals. They have to be set correctly to benefit your corals. Too much royal blue will make colors pop and be pleasing to the eye, but that does not benefit your corals.

And I already answered the question as to which T5s to use to supplement MH. 420nm and 453nm.

Try reading.

To follow your logic then the 420nm and 453nm colors don't benefit the corals?

Try not to agro

 

[Uncle Salty 05]

Yeah, I'm a riot. Especially when I'm pointing out that you couldn't answer a simple question with a simple statement like "UVL Super Actinic".

Instead you want to argue about what coral look like under 15" of water.

Pathetic. :facepalm:

Yeah I'm pathetic when I point out that you talk about "natural" when you don't even know what natural looks like.
I was never asked for a name brand so none was given.
What coral look like at depth is what I am trying to produce.
I'm not sure what your goal is or if you have one.

And yes you are a riot.

 

[Uncle Salty 05]

To follow your logic then the 420nm and 453nm colors don't benefit the corals?

Try not to agro

I'll try not to agro.
Yeah, by recommending 420nm and 453nm supplemental light I am saying they don't benefit your coral?
Do you always completely misunderstand people or just me?

 

[Johnseye]

I'll try not to agro.
Yeah, by recommending 420nm and 453nm supplemental light I am saying they don't benefit your coral?
Do you always completely misunderstand people or just me?

To recap, you state...

With MH and T5 you don't need LED.
They really have nothing to add that isn't already there.

All color can and are seen with MH and T5.
It just depends on your array of T5s and the color temperature of your MHs.

LEDs do not "bring out" anything, they shed an unnatural light that some find appealing, that does not help your coral in any way.

I said that LEDs can produce unnatural coloration that does not help your corals. They have to be set correctly to benefit your corals. Too much royal blue will make colors pop and be pleasing to the eye, but that does not benefit your corals.

And I already answered the question as to which T5s to use to supplement MH. 420nm and 453nm.

This was all in response to my statement...

I'm starting to think that a combination of MH, T5 and LED is the only way to go. Anything less will result in lackluster color and growth. A combination of the three will bring nirvana.

So you think LEDs produce color that don't help corals, that may be as all lights produce color that don't help corals. You state the color's produced by T5s which would be used to supplement MH to provide the same coloration LEDs produce, are 420nm and 453nm.

As such you are stating that 420nm and 453nm don't produce color that help corals grow.

I'm trying to help you understand yourself as you appear to be confused...and a bit emo.

 

[Uncle Salty 05]

To recap, you state...









This was all in response to my statement...



So you think LEDs produce color that don't help corals, that may be as all lights produce color that don't help corals. You state the color's produced by T5s which would be used to supplement MH to provide the same coloration LEDs produce, are 420nm and 453nm.

As such you are stating that 420nm and 453nm don't produce color that help corals grow.

I'm trying to help you understand yourself as you appear to be confused...and a bit emo.

One more time.
IF you read through what I said you will see that I said LEDs are capable of producing color which does not benefit your coral. Not that you should use them to do so.
I recommend 420 and 453nm colors because they DO produce color that will help corals grow. (actinic light fuels photosynthesis more than white light does)
I understand myself quite well thank you.
You are the one that has misinterpreted everything I have said.
I am not emo at all, just a bit frustrated from talking to two pieces of furniture.

 

[Johnseye]

One more time.
IF you read through what I said you will see that I said LEDs are capable of producing color which does not benefit your coral. Not that you should use them to do so.
I recommend 420 and 453nm colors because they DO produce color that will help corals grow. (actinic light fuels photosynthesis more than white light does)
I understand myself quite well thank you.
You are the one that has misinterpreted everything I have said.
I am not emo at all, just a bit frustrated from talking to two pieces of furniture.

You talked about 420 and 453nm because they added the same colors that LED did. It was in response to your statement that LEDs aren't necessary because MH and T5s can produce every color LEDs can, thus LEDs aren't necessary.

If you can find somewhere where you recommend those colors because they produce colors that help corals grow I'll stand corrected. Otherwise I'm going to walk away from this discussion with you.

 

[Uncle Salty 05]

My statement that got you dander up: ""All color can and are seen with MH and T5.
It just depends on your array of T5s and the color temperature of your MHs."

LEDs do not "bring out" anything, they shed an unnatural light that some find appealing, that does not help your coral in any way.

d2mini: "Ok tell me which T5 will do that."

My response: "It depends on which MH you are running and what you are trying to achieve.
I personally like a mixture of 420nm and 453nm, but it is really up to personal preference."

Where did I say 420nm and 453nm are needed because they are like LEDs?

I believe you stand corrected sir.

You go buy your MH, T5 and LED set up and let us know the pros and cons of it please.

 

[gb530]

LEDs do not "bring out" anything, they shed an unnatural light that some find appealing, that does not help your coral in any way.

There is no helping this guy. You sir do not make sense. :hmm5:

 

[Johnseye]

Where did I say 420nm and 453nm are needed because they are like LEDs?

This is what you don't get, even when you type it yourself. d2mini asked you which T5 brings out the same color as LED. It's right there in black and white. That was the whole point, what d2mini and I were asking you.

You still didn't show me where you state those colors help corals grow. I'm done.

Later.