Anyone using the Pacific coast flow accelerator?

[shelburn61]

Looks like a standard penductor, but I can't find any specs on it? I was thinking of putting a few on a Sequence dart closed loop or do I need a pressure-rated pump?

http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem~idProduct~FT0031~tab~0.html

 

[supertech3]

I read the comments for the reviews and would not put it on my pumps and risk burning them out since it restricts the flow before releasing it(backpressure)

 

[shelburn61]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12250987#post12250987 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by supertech3
I read the comments for the reviews and would not put it on my pumps and risk burning them out since it restricts the flow before releasing it(backpressure)

I'm not sure that was good information. People routinely restrict the output on pumps with no issues...

 

[jknecht]

I run a couple of them on my Hammerhead Gold with no problems. Remember you can dial down ReeFlo pumps which creates back pressure so it won't hurt the pump.

 

[seawandrr]

It looks like a standard 3/4" locline MPT fitting, and a couple of sections are used.

Can anyone confirm? or is this a proprietary loc-line like system that would prevent use of standard Y's and such?

 

[buck50bmg]

I use the larger Sun day eductors and love them! Im using a Iwaki MD-100 though!

 

[BeanAnimal]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12250987#post12250987 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by supertech3
I read the comments for the reviews and would not put it on my pumps and risk burning them out since it restricts the flow before releasing it(backpressure)

There is no harm in restricting the outflow of a centrifugal pump. The restriction of the output actually reduces wear on the pump by allowing it to do less work.

Bean

 

[seawandrr]

Found the answer to my own question...

I found another vendor website that lists these as being compatible with lock line.

~K

 

[dots]

Bean:

See pump affinity laws

 

[Jeff]

I added 4 of them to my Hammerhead closed loop and they more then doubled my flow in the tank. Cheap, easy upgrade that actually works .

 

[greenmonkey51]

Your supposed to use them with pressure rated pumps anyways I think. So the back pressure is a non issue.

 

[BeanAnimal]

Dots, I am familiar with Affinity Laws and how they apply to centrifugal pumps

Increase the head on a pump system, and the output will decrease. This does not cause added wear on the pump and is exactly WHY we can throttle centrifugal pumps without causing harm.

 

[KenStanley]

Okay.......... so what's the difference?

Okay.......... so what's the difference?

I am looking at Marine Depot's website and they say this thing increases flow by 400%. Pretty cheap flow I'd say. What brought me to this particular product is a friend of mine recommended the PENGUIN Series PE Penductor sparging eductors. I believe these two products work in a similar fashion but I'm not sure. I was hoping someone here knew. Below are the links to the Pacific Coast product and the Penductor product. If anyone has any direct knowledge of these two products I sure would appreciate your input. From what I have been able to piece together water is directed through a small nozzle that allows water through and creates pressure flow because the water flows through so quickly it creates a vacuum behind the flow which then sucks in more water into the stream and then allows it to escape through a series of venturis which gives you high volume of flow with lower pressure. This is just what I have been able to deduce and I could be wrong. So if any one knows for sure or knows if these two products are basically the same I'd like to know. The Pacific product is $14 from Marine Depot and the Penguin seems to run about $25.

Thanks,
Ken


Penguin Product

Pacific Coast Product

 

[ReefEnabler]

so it seems to me that these are good options for people who have a very powerful return pump, and dont want too much water going through the sump.

I have a Reeflo Barracuda feeding two 1" outlets for my 220 display. It uses 1.5" pipe that goes 25' horizontal, 6' veritcal, and then splits. The headloss calc says I will still be getting ~3000 gph.

I'll also be feeding a 1/2hp chiller with maybe 1000gph, so I'm guessing I'll have ~2000gph ready to go to the display.

This seems like a bit much in terms of how much water I'd be sending through the sump and past the skimmer.

What affect would putting penductors on my returns have? How much would it decrease the actual flow through the sump, while increasing flow within the tank itself???

Ryan

 

[Beenalongtime79]

I have used both and I like the penguin penductor's flow charecteristics a little more as the orifice is slightly larger and I think it actually flows a little bit more with slightly wider dispersion of the water... however, I changed it out because the pacific coast flow accelerator really just pops onto 3/4" locline without any problems and thus saves a little space in my 60 gallon cube and is more maneuverable.

The flow accelerator actually comes with a small length of "loc-line", but it's knockoff loc-line that is not as good as the real thing and you'll find that the flow accelerator is a much tighter fit on the real loc-line.

By the way, I run one of these off of a Mak4 pump and it puts out a substantial amount of flow, the only thing is that I wish my tank were longer since I feel a lot of the flow is wasted by bouncing off the walls of my tank.

Also, when they say increase by 400%, I think you've got to realize that you aren't going to take a 1000gph pump (pressure rated) to 4000gph. You might boost up flow to 2000-2500gph secondary to the eductor effect (bernoulli's principle), because the eductor severely cuts back on pump flow, so that 1000gph pump is actually only putting through the eductor around 500-600gph.

 

[KenStanley]

Thanks Rufio. I appreciate your reply. I just ordered the Pacific Coast product. I'll be running it off a Mag 9.5. I also run a Tunze Wave Box and a Tunze Stream Kit 2x 6100 TS24. So whether or not I get a 400% increase really isn't an issue but I figured it's almost like getting more flow for next to nothing so why not.

Thanks again Rufio.

Ken

 

[EnderG60]

rufio, since you have used both, how do they compare? If they can do say 80% of what the regular eductors do they might be worth it.

 

[Beenalongtime79]

Ken,

I'm glad my synopsis helped you out!

Ender,

I know that they both put out a lot of flow when using my Mak4 pump on them. I think that the penguin penductor allows a little bit more flow since there is a little bit less constriction at the orifice and the suction part is a little more open then the pacific coast accelerator. The suction openings on the pacific coast accelerator have less surface area than the penguin penductor. The pacific coast accelerator is also a bit smaller than the penguin penductor (it's sleeker and slightly shorter in length)

Both work well though so I think you'll be happy with either one. If you want more manueverability, I would go with the pacific coast accelerator, if you want a bit more flow and less constriction on your pump, you'll probably want to go with the penguin penductor.

Peace,
John

 

[superedge88]

I don't see how you'll get much flow with a mag 9.5 on any type of eductor with the small amount of head pressure the mag 9.5 can build up. I think you'll be less than impressed.

 

[jpndave]

I have two of these on a Eheim 1260 with a SCWD that is opened up to 3/4" pipe. They do increase flow but not 4X. Maybe double that of open outlets and a nice wide flow pattern. They substantially cut the flow through the pump. They will fit on loc-line but not the other way around and the fit is TIGHT. I used all loc-line fittings except the flow increasers.