AquaUV VS. Emperor Aquatics UV

Im trying to understand why two UV's with similar wattage require such different flow.


AquaUV 57w Classic: 2,133-3,200gph in a reef tank

Emperor Aquatics 50w: 285-476gph

Why is there such a difference in flow requirement? I have the AquaUV 57w Classic UV would like to know if I can be ran with less flow similar to the flow of the Emperor Aquatics.
 
I am pretty sure the gph you are giving for the emperor aquatics is the recommended flow for killing parasites and the gph for the Aqua uv is for clarifying water. Either way, I would go with the reccomended flow provided by emperor aquatics because they're known for their research and quality in uv.
 
There's no such thing as not enough flow with a UV if you ask me.

My little 8 watt UV I probably have 50gph running through it.

Just remember, with UV it's all about exposure. Either increasing exposure through intensity, or dwell time.

You theoretically get the same amount of exposure with a 20w that you can a 50w depending on how slow the flow is through the 20w vs how fast the flow is through the 50w. For example, a 20w flowing at 200gph will have a much higher exposure time than a 50w flowing at 2000gph.

However, as someone who works in healthcare, I can tell you that the UV sterilizers we use are in excess of 2k watts and we bombard equipment over 24hrs. Then it's still not considered sterile until it's subsequently put through the autoclave. Studies have shown that even with that amount of intensity and dwell time, most prokaryotes, and endospores still survive.

So if at that scale, if the two main disease cells that we are trying to irradicate in our tanks, can survive, then our small UVS will be all but ineffective.

However, depending on dwell time, other non cell walled organisms can be eradicated or their reproductive abilities can be halted given enough exposure.

So UV is effective, but you have to know what it can and can't do. So I always play it safe, and maximize exposure by slowing down the flow as much as possible.
 
This is from AquaUv weskit

In salt water reef environments choose a UV that matches your flow rate per hour in the 30,000 or 45,000 columns of our chart. Flow rates in the 75,000 and 90,000 columns will destroy the planktonic food supply for the reef.

and this is the chart they are talking about…

30,000 µw/cm2 (EOL) 3200 gph
45,000 µw/cm2 (EOL) 2133 gph
60,000 µw/cm2 (EOL) 1600 gph
75,000 µw/cm2 (EOL) 1280 gph
90,000 µw/cm2 (EOL) 1066 gph

So the slower the flow the higher the EOL number is which they recommend the higher EOL number for Fish Only Tanks. I have a reef so I should stay in the lower EOL number according to them. I just find it strange that Emperor Aquatics flow requirement is so much lower.
 
No. You want the higher eol number to kill parasitic organisms. Basically get a pump that pushes 1000 gph and you should be good. Yes, according to the chart it can kill some pods, but skimmers, return pumps, and powerheads kill pods too. Slower the better.
 
Emperor Aquatics is one of the few UV manufacturers who publishes realistic numbers for a proper exposure and high kill rate. Lots of other manufacturers are marketing to hobbyists hoping to buy a cheaper/smaller unit even though it won't be very effective.

If the wattage of the UV is similar and the geometry is the same, you'll have the same impact from a unit. However, the lower amounts of flow Emperor Aquatics publishes are much more realistic for that setup.
 
Emperor Aquatics is one of the few UV manufacturers who publishes realistic numbers for a proper exposure and high kill rate. Lots of other manufacturers are marketing to hobbyists hoping to buy a cheaper/smaller unit even though it won't be very effective.

If the wattage of the UV is similar and the geometry is the same, you'll have the same impact from a unit. However, the lower amounts of flow Emperor Aquatics publishes are much more realistic for that setup.

Agreed. 1k gph through a UV is absurd if you ask me.
 
Is anyone on here running a 57w AquaUV in a reef? If so how many gph are you running through it?

I want to make sure I set this up and don't cause any harm to my tank.
 
Emperor Aquatics is one of the few UV manufacturers who publishes realistic numbers for a proper exposure and high kill rate. Lots of other manufacturers are marketing to hobbyists hoping to buy a cheaper/smaller unit even though it won't be very effective.

If the wattage of the UV is similar and the geometry is the same, you'll have the same impact from a unit. However, the lower amounts of flow Emperor Aquatics publishes are much more realistic for that setup.


Agreed. 1k gph through a UV is absurd if you ask me.

Come on guys!!! Do you even understand the manufacturers specs?? I think you guys should really read closer and understand the specs before making comments that make no sense. My guess is it was not a case of not understanding but instead not comparing the numbers close enough and you just overlooked some facts.

EAPeterson.. You are right though AE and AquaUV are the ONLY manufacturers who publish realistic specs for UV sterilizers when used in salt water.

As far as the specs and flow, let me break it down because they are both about the same for their wattage.

EA is quoting 260-330GPH for 180,000 µWs/cm sterilization.

AquaUV is suggesting 1066GPH 90,000 µw/cm sterilization.

Notice that the AquaUV in question is more than 10% more powerful than the EA unit in question. The recommended sterilization factor for the given flow in the AquaUV chart is half of what EA is listing and if you do the math, the difference in flow rates make PERFECT sense! If you want to run the AquaUV at 180,000µw/cm2, then cut 90,000 flow rate in half (530GPH). They are both 1000% realistic numbers and if you read and understand the specs, that becomes very clear as does running 1000GPH through a 57 watt sterilizer on a 350 gallon tank. Both of these sterilizers in question are designed for higher flow rates. They have large reaction chambers with large inlets and outlets. The deciding factor is what your goal or sterilization rate target are with the sterilizer and based on that, the flow rate is self explanatory.

180,000 µWs/cm isn't recommended for a reef tank as it will kill virtually anything that passes through it. In a fish only system, 180,000 is fine. 90,000 µWs/cm is a good balance between kill factor and polishing although more than I would ever run in a reef. A UV filter will not kill or control ich so there is no point in running minimal flow though them. I run my AquaUV's at around 60,000 µw/cm2 but can slow or increase my flow though it as needed. I find that to be a good balance betweem kill rate and bacterial control with great water polishing on my reef tank. On fish only systems, I run them around 90,000.

AquaUV is every bit as reputable as EA. This isn't Coralife Twist or a Jebao we are talking about. AquaUV makes sterilizers that are every bit as good as EA's and the AquaUV's specs are every bit as factual. Infact, Unlike EA, AquaUV lists proper and accurate flow rates for a wide range of sterilization factors. AquaUV has MUCH better support than EA. If you need pre or post sales support for any reason, Aqua UV always answers their phones during business hours and they have very knowledge staff to answer any questions you may have. They have been around a VERY long time and have an impeccable reputation. Parts are readily available for all AquaUV sterilizers both direct from AquaUV as well as countless online retailers. If you need a part be it a bulb, ballast, seal or anything else, you can usually have it within a day without having to pay for next day air. This is due in large part to their well supported distribution chain. I've run AquaUV sterilizers for nearly 20 years and frankly, I wouldn't use another brand in large part due to their support and most importantly, parts availability because I never really need support unless I need a part number for an odd seal or something which is rare but the UV at my office is going on 10 or so years of use. I've got 5 years on my 114 watt unit on my reef and both haven't had an issue yet. I do maintain them well and change seals every year or two.
 
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Thank you for your answer Scott. You have answered a lot of my questions.

I guess the only thing that I still don't understand is why there is such a big gap between recommended flow for two UV sterilizers of similar size and shape and wattage.
 
Come on guys!!! Do you even understand the manufacturers specs?? I think you guys should really read closer and understand the specs before making comments that make no sense. My guess is it was not a case of not understanding but instead not comparing the numbers close enough and you just overlooked some facts.

EAPeterson.. You are right though AE and AquaUV are the ONLY manufacturers who publish realistic specs for UV sterilizers when used in salt water.

As far as the specs and flow, let me break it down because they are both about the same for their wattage.

EA is quoting 260-330GPH for 180,000 µWs/cm sterilization.

AquaUV is suggesting 1066GPH 90,000 µw/cm sterilization.

Notice that the AquaUV in question is more than 10% more powerful than the EA unit in question. The recommended sterilization factor for the given flow in the AquaUV chart is half of what EA is listing and if you do the math, the difference in flow rates make PERFECT sense! If you want to run the AquaUV at 180,000µw/cm2, then cut 90,000 flow rate in half (530GPH). They are both 1000% realistic numbers and if you read and understand the specs, that becomes very clear as does running 1000GPH through a 57 watt sterilizer on a 350 gallon tank. Both of these sterilizers in question are designed for higher flow rates. They have large reaction chambers with large inlets and outlets. The deciding factor is what your goal or sterilization rate target are with the sterilizer and based on that, the flow rate is self explanatory.

180,000 µWs/cm isn't recommended for a reef tank as it will kill virtually anything that passes through it. In a fish only system, 180,000 is fine. 90,000 µWs/cm is a good balance between kill factor and polishing although more than I would ever run in a reef. A UV filter will not kill or control ich so there is no point in running minimal flow though them. I run my AquaUV's at around 60,000 µw/cm2 but can slow or increase my flow though it as needed. I find that to be a good balance betweem kill rate and bacterial control with great water polishing on my reef tank. On fish only systems, I run them around 90,000.

AquaUV is every bit as reputable as EA. This isn't Coralife Twist or a Jebao we are talking about. AquaUV makes sterilizers that are every bit as good as EA's and the AquaUV's specs are every bit as factual. Infact, Unlike EA, AquaUV lists proper and accurate flow rates for a wide range of sterilization factors. AquaUV has MUCH better support than EA. If you need pre or post sales support for any reason, Aqua UV always answers their phones during business hours and they have very knowledge staff to answer any questions you may have. They have been around a VERY long time and have an impeccable reputation. Parts are readily available for all AquaUV sterilizers both direct from AquaUV as well as countless online retailers. If you need a part be it a bulb, ballast, seal or anything else, you can usually have it within a day without having to pay for next day air. This is due in large part to their well supported distribution chain. I've run AquaUV sterilizers for nearly 20 years and frankly, I wouldn't use another brand in large part due to their support and most importantly, parts availability because I never really need support unless I need a part number for an odd seal or something which is rare but the UV at my office is going on 10 or so years of use. I've got 5 years on my 114 watt unit on my reef and both haven't had an issue yet. I do maintain them well and change seals every year or two.

Geez dude, don't bite my head off. I overlooked the sterilization numbers and assumed both ratings were for the same µWs/cm. I guess that's what I get for assuming...

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Great info and a great post, you know I respect you and all. :thumbsup:
 
Geez dude, don't bite my head off. I overlooked the sterilization numbers and assumed both ratings were for the same µWs/cm. I guess that's what I get for assuming...

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Great info and a great post, you know I respect you and all. :thumbsup:

LOL.. I didn't mean to bite your head off! In fact, it was Wpeterson that loosely mentioned published numbers for flow rates which when compared are almost identical when you look at the sterilization rates vs flow vs wattage. As such, my post was more aimed at him. The devil is in the details though and I will admit that at first I was scratching my head too until I looked at closely at the published numbers and posted sterilization rates.

As I said, both a great UV units with very similar designs and specs. One thing I like about both EA and AquaUV is that they both support higher flow rates which is important for those of us with large tanks and or larger pumps. One of these UV's can still be very effective even with rates in excess of 1000GPH depending on your goal. As I said, I run higher flow through my 114 watt unit which is on my closed loop but I failed to mention that I have that I now have that pump slow down at night so I do vary my flow a bit through it which can improve it's effectiveness at night.

Thank you for your answer Scott. You have answered a lot of my questions.

I guess the only thing that I still don't understand is why there is such a big gap between recommended flow for two UV sterilizers of similar size and shape and wattage.

There really isn't a big gap at all. The AquaUV 57 watt is 15% more powerful than the EA 50 watt in question. The AquaUV is quoting 90,000 µw/cm2 at 1066 gph which is about 1/2 the sterilization factor at a bit more than double the flow rate. If you double the serialization factor to 180,000 µw/cm which is the number EA has you focusing on, you would end up with a flow rate of roughly 500 gph with the 57 watt unit compared to 330 gph with the 50 watt EA unit. This assumes that 180,000 µw/cm would require half the flow of 90,000 µw/cm when in fact, you may need even less flow at 180,000 µw/cm.. So when you cut through the details, they both have very similar flow numbers. It's just that AquaUV is quoting a lower sterilization factor which requires higher flow and EA isn't only quoting the absolute highest sterilization factor at the lowest flow rates and not including the sterilization options in their specs that would require higher flow rates.

The EA 50 watt is quoting 260-330GPH for 180,000 µWs/cm. With the increased wattage of the Aqua UV in the same length filter as the EA comes exponentially greater efficiency or improved performance. So you can run higher flow with similar results. AquaUV has been around for decades and has a very good reputation so there is really no reason to question their specs and based on the specs of the similar albeit lower wattage EQ unit, the published numbers from Aqua UV seem very realistic.

I hope that makes sense. I am running on fumes today so I'm a bit incoherent.
 
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LOL.. I didn't mean to bite your head off! In fact, it was Wpeterson that loosely mentioned published numbers for flow rates which when compared are almost identical when you look at the sterilization rates vs flow vs wattage. As such, my post was more aimed at him. The devil is in the details though and I will admit that at first I was scratching my head too until I looked at closely at the published numbers and posted sterilization rates.

As I said, both a great UV units with very similar designs and specs. One thing I like about both EA and AquaUV is that they both support higher flow rates which is important for those of us with large tanks and or larger pumps. One of these UV's can still be very effective even with rates in excess of 1000GPH depending on your goal. As I said, I run higher flow through my 114 watt unit which is on my closed loop but I failed to mention that I have that I now have that pump slow down at night so I do vary my flow a bit through it which can improve it's effectiveness at night.

Lol it's ok, I was really just giving you a hard time.
 
There really isn't a big gap at all. The AquaUV 57 watt is 15% more powerful than the EA 50 watt in question. The AquaUV is quoting 90,000 µw/cm2 at 1066 gph which is about 1/2 the sterilization factor at a bit more than double the flow rate. If you double the serialization factor to 180,000 µw/cm which is the number EA has you focusing on, you would end up with a flow rate of roughly 500 gph with the 57 watt unit compared to 330 gph with the 50 watt EA unit. This assumes that 180,000 µw/cm would require half the flow of 90,000 µw/cm when in fact, you may need even less flow at 180,000 µw/cm.. So when you cut through the details, they both have very similar flow numbers. It's just that AquaUV is quoting a lower sterilization factor which requires higher flow and EA isn't only quoting the absolute highest sterilization factor at the lowest flow rates and not including the sterilization options in their specs that would require higher flow rates.

The EA 50 watt is quoting 260-330GPH for 180,000 µWs/cm. With the increased wattage of the Aqua UV in the same length filter as the EA comes exponentially greater efficiency or improved performance. So you can run higher flow with similar results. AquaUV has been around for decades and has a very good reputation so there is really no reason to question their specs and based on the specs of the similar albeit lower wattage EQ unit, the published numbers from Aqua UV seem very realistic.

I hope that makes sense. I am running on fumes today so I'm a bit incoherent.

I guess what had me confuse was that EA recommends 26-330GPH but I never saw it was for 180,000 µWs/cm. According to Aqua UV 180,000 µWs/cm is not suitable for a Reef so that is what had me confused.

So what would you say the lowest and safest flow rate is for a 57w Aqua UV in a reef tank?
 
I guess what had me confuse was that EA recommends 26-330GPH but I never saw it was for 180,000 µWs/cm. According to Aqua UV 180,000 µWs/cm is not suitable for a Reef so that is what had me confused.

So what would you say the lowest and safest flow rate is for a 57w Aqua UV in a reef tank?

90000 at 1000GPH would be fine. It's a higher kill rate/lower flow than I run in my reef but still OK. Even if it does kill some pods, it's not like all the tanks water goes through the UV anyway so it should have very little if any noticeable impact on pod populations. Even at 60,000 (higher flow), you will notice a huge improvement in water clarity and less bacterial algae issues such as cyano. I guess it really boils down to what your goal is. I don't have parasite issues let alone ich issues. As such, the lowest flow/highest kill rates are not as important to me. I use mine more for water polishing and enjoy other benefits from it as well but parasite control isn't as important to me. As such, I run higher flow through mine except at night when my tank is in night mode. If you run it on a closed loop pump that has variable flow such as a DC pump, you can always adjust the flow as needed or run it with lower flow at night and higher flow during the day or just slow it down when you have an issue.
 
Bump on this thread, i am converting my reef to a fish only system and thinking of getting an aqua UV 57w. My goal would be more focused on parasite control verses water clarity. Having said that, would i be wasting my money or are there benefits to using one? Also, are the cheaper units like Jebao any good at all?
 
Bump on this thread, i am converting my reef to a fish only system and thinking of getting an aqua UV 57w. My goal would be more focused on parasite control verses water clarity. Having said that, would i be wasting my money or are there benefits to using one? Also, are the cheaper units like Jebao any good at all?

In this hobby, you get what you pay for and that Jebao unit is designed for fresh water and not salt water. I would avoid it. In my opinion, it would be well worth running on a fish only system. It certainly can't hurt anything and can only help. In the case of a fish only system, the slower the flow the better. I would suggest running it at the slowest spec'd rate for the UV filter. Keep in mind though that it will not eliminate the ich parasite. This was mentioned previously. It will however control any parasites that are in the water column and pass though the UV. This includes but is not limited to ich but as with most parasites, not everything passes through the UV filter.
 
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