ATI Powermodule Hybrid Club
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wheelman76
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Thank you , that's interesting. I wish I could read German , maybe Oliver can chime in on wether there will be upgradable modules available soon in North America ?
wheelman76
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From what I was told by someone at Ati North America , any fixture with these LEDs would not be able to be upgradable in the future.
But the fixtures with these LEDs will be upgradable
But the fixtures with these LEDs will be upgradable
sahin
Ultimate Reefer
I have the 2nd version of the cluster, so the cluster with the new UV led would be the 3rd version.
Here is a Google translated quotes from Oliver Pritzel sourced from the link Slap provided:
"we have merely exchanged one LED in the blue channel against a purple at the LEDs. This constitutes approximately 1/20 (5%) of the luminosity of the LEDs. Overall (T5) makes this a violet LED so times just 2% of the total luminosity. "
I am not at all bothered about 1 tiny amount of output from a single UV LED.
You will achieve MUCH greater output from using 1 tube of T5 Actinic.
IMO the Actinic output from using either 2 or 4 ATI Blue+ tubes in a 4 or 8 tube combo is probably higher than this one single 2-3watt "UV" LED.
If a whole channel was dedicated to dual banks of 405nm/420nm Actinic leds and the output was comparable to that in the Ecotech Radion Pro's or AI Hydra 52's then I would have said, hell yeah, I'd love to have that. :lol:
Oliver finishes the post by saying:
"When violet LEDs (or violet light products) would be important, we would have already done. Now you may ask why you're probably we have ever built a violet LED? Well, the answer is quite simple. We sell worldwide and in some countries (eg USA), companies have sold through targeted marketing people violet light as a "great asset". As a result, many people think that they need now and violet LEDs. I can not explain the world to be seen this is more in the realm of marketing and the coral is relatively unimportant but. Therefore, we also have a blue LED replaced later by a purple LED. The lamp is not better. But not bad. However, it is served as the needs of the people artificially generated. Nothing more, nothing less.
Much more important is getting the entire lighting concept (area illumination) and the real radiation power. The mixed spectrum of T5 and LED is the real secret here. Never an LED ..."
So true...I know what this light is capable of...my aim is concentrating on the water quality...the light is fine.
Here is a Google translated quotes from Oliver Pritzel sourced from the link Slap provided:
"we have merely exchanged one LED in the blue channel against a purple at the LEDs. This constitutes approximately 1/20 (5%) of the luminosity of the LEDs. Overall (T5) makes this a violet LED so times just 2% of the total luminosity. "
I am not at all bothered about 1 tiny amount of output from a single UV LED.
You will achieve MUCH greater output from using 1 tube of T5 Actinic.
IMO the Actinic output from using either 2 or 4 ATI Blue+ tubes in a 4 or 8 tube combo is probably higher than this one single 2-3watt "UV" LED.
If a whole channel was dedicated to dual banks of 405nm/420nm Actinic leds and the output was comparable to that in the Ecotech Radion Pro's or AI Hydra 52's then I would have said, hell yeah, I'd love to have that. :lol:
Oliver finishes the post by saying:
"When violet LEDs (or violet light products) would be important, we would have already done. Now you may ask why you're probably we have ever built a violet LED? Well, the answer is quite simple. We sell worldwide and in some countries (eg USA), companies have sold through targeted marketing people violet light as a "great asset". As a result, many people think that they need now and violet LEDs. I can not explain the world to be seen this is more in the realm of marketing and the coral is relatively unimportant but. Therefore, we also have a blue LED replaced later by a purple LED. The lamp is not better. But not bad. However, it is served as the needs of the people artificially generated. Nothing more, nothing less.
Much more important is getting the entire lighting concept (area illumination) and the real radiation power. The mixed spectrum of T5 and LED is the real secret here. Never an LED ..."
So true...I know what this light is capable of...my aim is concentrating on the water quality...the light is fine.
with my current lamp I am very satisfied. the only, how do I configure the leds tank for my sps? I have 3x blue plus 3x plus coral, 1x puble plus, 1x aqua blue special. the leds: red: 5, royal blue 180, blue 255, white: 255 for a total of 45% led and 100% t5. my sps are colored, but it lacks some of the kick. water values are ok, operate ZEOVit.
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I have seven ATI fixtures. When I bought my first hybrid powermodule ATI claimed exchangeable led clusters to be one of their outstanding features and for me that was a good reason to buy it.
Now I am very displeased to know that my pricey powermodule won't allow any led upgrade. If ATI don't change their policies I will not longer be their customer even if they sell the best fixture in the world. I fell very annoyed and bothered, it is not fair at all.
Now I am very displeased to know that my pricey powermodule won't allow any led upgrade. If ATI don't change their policies I will not longer be their customer even if they sell the best fixture in the world. I fell very annoyed and bothered, it is not fair at all.
rtparty
Raise The Reef!
What is not fair? Does your light not work now? Is it somehow incapable of growing and coloring up corals now that ATI released a newer cluster? A cluster that really has ZERO benefit to your tank.
My 2010 BMW doesn't have BMWs iDrive technology but I would really like it. Stupid BMW! Why won't you make iDrive retrofit to my car?!? I'll never buy from them again!
I just don't get that line of thinking.
FranktheTankTx
New member
@ Ryan: I do like your BMW analogy. However, considering a few of the top LED companies are offering upgradable pucks - it's not out of line to wish your fixture was upgradable to the newest puck.
I can see both sides of the fence... just saying.
I can see both sides of the fence... just saying.
It is not fair that they sell a product claiming it is upgradeable and one year later they say it is not.
That was one of their main marketing claims and now it is not true. Therefore they have lied or just changed their policies in a way I don't like at all.
I don't think it is hard to understand my point and as one of their best customers (I highly doubt you'll find many reefers with seven fixtures of that kind) I have the right to complain and be listened by them.
I don't.
It is not an analogy at all:
When I bought my fixture they claimed that LEDs clusters were upgradeable but now they say they aren't.
BMW example has no analogy at all
Me too.
Nevertheless it's not nice when you pay for a feature that you never get. If they say from the first version that LED clusters were upgradeable they should be upgradeable anyhow.
rtparty
Raise The Reef!
I get that but does it mean the first gen fixtures are now garbage and they are a bad company? We don't know the full story here and that is the REAL problem. The lack of communication from ATI is mind boggling to me.
Maybe ATI found that upgrading them was a giant hassle and for some reason the hardware used in older models didn't "talk" to the new stuff they were doing?
I truly have no idea and just guessing here but I think people go far too extreme on it all. Would you upgrade if they said, "Yeah you can but there's a good chance something won't work properly. We're looking into it."
rtparty
Raise The Reef!
Do they consider the customer or their wallets?
They're a business after all and must make money. Making something "modular/upgradeable" has a major down side as well. When you stick to one design concept, you can't innovate anything because you're stuck with what's already there. Your choices become limited and innovation halts.
EcoTech, AI, ATI and all the other companies have one goal in mind: to make money. Great customer service is a key ingredient for them all but I can promise you if there wasn't a monetary gain to be had, they'd all go do something else.
I am sure about that Ryan. Nevertheless they should do something about it, you can't sell a feature and two years later forget about it. Customers deserve some respect.
I had several issues that still remain (flickering when ramping for example) and have bought four hybrid powermodules after them, so I don't think they are bad fixtures at all. It's only I don't like ATIs policies and customer care in Europe (reported several issues and hadn't prove any solution). By the way, ATIs Europe wrapping sucks, nothing to do with American one.
I had several issues that still remain (flickering when ramping for example) and have bought four hybrid powermodules after them, so I don't think they are bad fixtures at all. It's only I don't like ATIs policies and customer care in Europe (reported several issues and hadn't prove any solution). By the way, ATIs Europe wrapping sucks, nothing to do with American one.
takayan
Premium Member
I understood if the company stick with a design then they cannot innovate the good one. However, the new led module does look the totally new module. Also originally ATI says it would be upgradable, now not. The fixture is not cheap at all, so they should consider something for the current customers.
rtparty
Raise The Reef!
I agree with both of you and see your side.
It's just not my style to rip on the company unless they truly deserve it. Trust me, I've ripped on my fair share of companies for lying to people.
I just wish ATI would have some transparency and explain what's going on. I made a post a couple pages back explaining my thoughts and feelings on this exact topic but it seemed to just get passed right over.
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