automatic water change

It seems the 100DMP4 - Stenner Pump is the best option. Is the only con that it's loud?

It is MUCH louder than the LMIII, and MUCH larger.

Since I dont own the LMIII ( its a raffle item for one of our upcoming events), i had to go back to the Stenner. I use the same one as Dr. Thompson.

As Sacohen mentioned, im the one that noticed the difference in in/out volume, but have not noticed any SG creep of significance either.

Im at 2.5 G/day for the last 11 months ( excluding the 2 months I had the LMIII on) and love my auto WC's. I really makes reefing much more enjoyable.
 
Thanks I know u posted it 50 times already. Which tubing did u go with?

Any RO 1/4" tubing is fine. I used polyurethane tubing since mine was going thru my attic. You can search "polyurethane 1/4 tubing" on eBay and you'll find it.

The stenner comes with some tubing also.
 
Stumbled across this thread, thought I would add my own experience setting up a daily auto-change system about 2 years ago.

On e bay, I found a used variable-speed Masterflex pump (7553-20) for $185 and a dual pump head for it (7018-20) for $49. I purchased some 7/16" OD x 5/16" ID silicone tubing for the pump on amazon for $31 (I had to buy 25' but I use the excess for other projects :)). For a SW reservoir, I purchased a 165g vertical poly tank that I keep in the room behind my 270g display tank. I placed two float switches in the reservoir that connect to my Apex. One triggers it to automatically refill with RODI when close to empty, the other stops the RODI refill when enough has been added to perfectly mix with one box of salt to 1.026. Two MJ mod 1200 pumps take care of the mixing.

Initially I plumbed the reservoir to the pump and sump using 3/8" poly tubing, with the removal line "upstream" of the addition line. Because the tubing run from the reservoir was longer than the run to the drain, and because there was significant back-pressure on the addition line when the reservoir was close to full, I was skeptical that each head on the pump would move identical amounts of water. I tested this by having the pump fill two 5g buckets "in situ", and indeed there was a substantial difference between the amounts removed/added. To address this, I put a partially-closed John Guest 3/8" ball valve on the suction side of the line that was moving the larger amount of water (the drain line). At first this didn't work properly, presumably because John Guest fittings are designed to work in pressure applications vs. suction, and some air was slipping past the fitting's o-rings. I solved this by simply putting the valve on the intake end of the drain line, submerged in the sump. Through trial and error, I was then able to "tune" the two lines to move identical amounts of water. (For accuracy, I decided to use two identical buckets and weigh them with a Berkley digital fish scale that weighed to the 1/10th lb, or a little less than 2 fluid ounces.)

A second concern was that as the water level dropped in the SW reservoir over time, the back pressure on the addition line would be constantly changing, meaning it might add more water when the reservoir was full vs. when it was close to empty, all the while with the drain line constantly drawing from the same water level in the sump. This meant, while I had "tuned" everything with the ball valve, it would gradually go out of calibration as the reservoir drained a little each day. I tested this using the bucket comparison method again, and saw that was indeed the case.

My solution to this was to make a small tank that was connected to the reservoir though 3/4" vinyl tubing, with a high-volume float valve in this small tank. The small tank sits on the floor next to the reservoir (which is about 10" off the floor on a stand with casters). The float valve sets a constant water level in the small tank, and the water-adding line of the pump draws its water from this small tank. This arrangement works very well.

Occasionally I will test to make sure everything is still tuned properly, because it seems to slowly drift out of calibration over time. To make it easier to adjust, I recently swapped out the ball valve with an all-plastic needle valve. Very tiny adjustments make a significant difference, and it was just too sensitive to the coarse adjustments presented by a ball valve.

I have the system set to run for 15 minutes daily, which amounts to about 4 gallons changed, or between 1-2% system volume.
 
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Wow

WOW indeed.

Morty- I also found a difference between in and out, as documented in this thread, but found it to be statistically insignificant.

I continue to monitor my SG in my tank at least weekly and have not noticed any significant shifts. IMHO- this is enough to conclude that the in and out are close enough to leave it alone.

Good input. thanks for posting. Spread the word!!!:bounce1:
 
WOW indeed.

Morty- I also found a difference between in and out, as documented in this thread, but found it to be statistically insignificant.

I continue to monitor my SG in my tank at least weekly and have not noticed any significant shifts. IMHO- this is enough to conclude that the in and out are close enough to leave it alone.

Good input. thanks for posting. Spread the word!!!:bounce1:

I've not had issue either with my setup. Though after testing in place one head pumped a little more so I switched things around to use it to replace water into my display which makes up for water removed by the skimmer.

The master flex heads can be off by +/- 3% so it is possible to get one that is +3 and one that is -3 giving a 6% variance which would add up over time on large water changes. How the tubing is loaded makes a difference as well, especially on the adjustable occlusion models.

I've seen no difference though due to run length of tubing as I draw water from the basement to my living room then back down to a frag tank, then to the drain. the runs are about 35' on my system though close to the same length on all except for the height differences and during testing I saw no changes in pumping rate with the three heads I am using only that one consistently pumped a little more, about 1 extra gallon for every 24 that is moved.......
 
I've not had issue either with my setup. Though after testing in place one head pumped a little more so I switched things around to use it to replace water into my display which makes up for water removed by the skimmer.

The master flex heads can be off by +/- 3% so it is possible to get one that is +3 and one that is -3 giving a 6% variance which would add up over time on large water changes. How the tubing is loaded makes a difference as well, especially on the adjustable occlusion models.

I've seen no difference though due to run length of tubing as I draw water from the basement to my living room then back down to a frag tank, then to the drain. the runs are about 35' on my system though close to the same length on all except for the height differences and during testing I saw no changes in pumping rate with the three heads I am using only that one consistently pumped a little more, about 1 extra gallon for every 24 that is moved.......

Zach- A change in Sg is what will eventually tell you if its an issue.

Im at 1 year now doing this AWC. I think ive had a variation of ONE ppm here or there, and i just adjust the next batch 2-3 PPM one way or the other to keep me at a steady 35ppm.

THIS IS AWESOME!!!!! BEST investment ive made EVER in my >20 years of reefkeeping. :bounce1:
 
Zach- A change in Sg is what will eventually tell you if its an issue.

Im at 1 year now doing this AWC. I think ive had a variation of ONE ppm here or there, and i just adjust the next batch 2-3 PPM one way or the other to keep me at a steady 35ppm.

THIS IS AWESOME!!!!! BEST investment ive made EVER in my >20 years of reefkeeping. :bounce1:

Yeah, mine has only been running since around march I think, on my 5th bin of SW I think. SG in my display has not yet wavered from the 1.025 I shoot for, but plus or minus 0.001 either way doesn't matter over this length of time. Best investment I've made as well. Wish I had learned about this method years ago!
 
With the awc system do you guys still daily dose ?? on a smaller system say 100 gallon total what would be the water exchange to never dose??
 
With the awc system do you guys still daily dose ?? on a smaller system say 100 gallon total what would be the water exchange to never dose??

Kenneth- yes dosing is still necessary, at least in my case since my system is mainly SPS.

Randy Holmes Farley has a few articles here on RC in the Reef chemistry forum that details what you are requesting. But if i recall correctly it is difficult to do unless you bioload is extremely light.
 
since they don't have it as a kit on there site...now I just need to figure out what parts to to order. I already ran a 1/4" line from my saltwater tank in the garage through the attic when running my RODI line from my RODI storage tank to my RODI ATO tank in fish room.

So now just need to order the equipment to get this up and running and figure out where to run a line for the waste or old salt water....
 
since they don't have it as a kit on there site...now I just need to figure out what parts to to order. I already ran a 1/4" line from my saltwater tank in the garage through the attic when running my RODI line from my RODI storage tank to my RODI ATO tank in fish room.

So now just need to order the equipment to get this up and running and figure out where to run a line for the waste or old salt water....

As far as equioment- Call customer service at Spectrapure. Speak to Jeremy. He is aware of this thread and will give your good advice.
 
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