I dont think the title of this thread was wholesalers vs LFS's. This should never have been turned into a debate on that topic. Simply a feedback thread for a particular company like 100s of others like it on RC. The person who took it to this level should never have done that. Again i make my assumption from my FIRST hand conversations with the seller who also does NOT ship. Only delivery of the items in our state and northern PA. And calling and talking to this person about the size, color, health and temperament of the animals that he has in stock is not a crap shoot if the seller is honest. which in my FIRST hand experience has showed this to be a factual quality in this seller. When I inspected the items when he brought them he said if there was anything that was too small or that i wasn't happy with that he would take back immediately. I am merely stating that I have had a good experience with this particular seller. He has proven to me in this particular instance to be honest and helpful. Can anyone else can say they have or havent had a similar incident with THIS seller, that is what I am looking for in terms of feedback NOT pure speculation. I understand that there may have been similar practices such as these in the past that were less than reputable. Some people may be biased to these people because they have been burned before. By all means be skeptical but to judge this seller by the actions of past sellers is your prerogative, dont speak on them as if it is fact. no one ever said that they shipped these items, he may if you really need him too since he seems to be a decent guy but im sure that digs into profit margins. Anyone in the hobby with a sizable investment in their tanks would be insane to introduce anything without proper quarantine. Proper QT would provide you with plenty of time to inspect the animal and determine whether or not it is of suitable health. If there are other risk factors your worried about then don buy it from them. Simple as that. Just because you buy a fish from ARC or CF or live aquaria or anywhere else that has an outstanding track record for quality does that mean you just throw it into your system. NO!!!! You quarantine to be on the safe side. so if your going to QT them anyway and want to save some $$ then do it. A whole lot more than $10 or $20 by the way. Look at the price list again to me it seems as though most items are close to 50% off of the retail cost. If you think for some reason that ordering from someone who gets them wholesale will bring about the end of the world then dont do it and leave others to do what they will. As for me I already know that I will order certain items from them again, just like I order certain items from BRS, reefs2go and everything else from LFS' and hobbyist! If the product received is good quality I see no harm. Not too mention If anyone would have bothered to ask instead of jumping down my throat. No these fish are not going into the reef tank. These animals will be introduced into a brand new fish only system. So for me there is no real risk. After speaking with josh and feeling comfortable about ordering, between my neighbor and I going in on this order and starting to stock both of our new systems we save close to $300 total. Worth it at this point and well worth it after seeing otherwise healthy livestock. A total of 16 live items ordered and 1 was unsuitable and is being replaced this week. Ask your lfs owner if those are decent odds from a wholesaler because I dont know. But some of you are right, if your just looking for 1 or 2 items that may be a risk to your $1000s investment and your going to save maybe $100 bucks its not worth it.