Awesome Reef Livestock and supplier in NYS called FLLR finger lake live rock

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Cali - Ok they might have a couple tanks set up in back or somthing but there whole shipment does not go through it. Just if they put it in tank and fish breaks out or somthing but by that time to late right? It is what it is i guess.

I personally have order online and local and both have up and downs. Online you dont see before you buy but you get 14 day gurantte and you can order the fish you want and have next day . Lfs usally doesn't have what you want to even see so you cant buy . But when they do it is very convient like my emperror angel i drove to buffalo to ARC payed more then online but imo was worth it Randy had it in hes tank for 4 months .Drove out there liked him and took him home.

This thread should not have even got this far . Now people will think twice about posting experience and i think that sucks.
 
If he personally delivered it they cant be that far away. Do they have a Store front? Where is it? if everyone sends me 20 bucks I volenteer to go check it out LOL


Tim
 
Wow...I'm shocked. The OP was just letting everyone know about his good experience and everyone jump on him for that...well not everyone, but quick a few people. It seems like the best thing to do is not tell anyone about your experiences with other LFS if its not local to you. Then again, I have seen people getting flamed for going to one shop and not other shops. Oh well...back to the Saints Game...
 
Lfs talk seems to always generate hostility. Weird?

That list looks like it was a copy/paste straight from SDC.
 
exactly.

The livestock basically comes from the same wholesaler(s) in a case such as this. Without a storefront and minimal advertising overhead is practically nil.

Ive noticed they only deliver on Thur and Friday. Probably so they can insure their stocks quality.
more probably because that's when the plane lands at the airport.

I can assure you when it comes to reef aquaria this is the wrong way to proceed. It'll end up costing you more in the end.
 
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Ive noticed they only deliver on Thur and Friday. Probably so they can insure their stocks quality.

Probably? How can you make that assumption?

As long as we are assuming things, I will say they only ship thurs and fri because he PROBABLY gets his shipments from his wholesalers on/around tuesday, just like A LOT of our LFS's. That would mean that he would order monday, get his livestock tuesday to put in his holding tanks, so that he can ship things out on weds or thurs. Pretty good gig I guess. :hmm4: But where does the time to "insure" their stocks quality come into play?

When a LFS orders fish from wholesalers its a crapshoot. Let alone when the little guy tries to order from an online retailer. You have no control over what size, color, health, temperament, or personality that fish has when you cant watch it for a little bit first. IMO - our tanks are giant investments of our money and time, so why risk the health of our tanks on not being able to personally inspect anything you introduce? For $10 in savings? In the end you'll save money if buy quality goods. That goes for anything, not just fish tanks.
 
I dont think the title of this thread was wholesalers vs LFS's. This should never have been turned into a debate on that topic. Simply a feedback thread for a particular company like 100s of others like it on RC. The person who took it to this level should never have done that. Again i make my assumption from my FIRST hand conversations with the seller who also does NOT ship. Only delivery of the items in our state and northern PA. And calling and talking to this person about the size, color, health and temperament of the animals that he has in stock is not a crap shoot if the seller is honest. which in my FIRST hand experience has showed this to be a factual quality in this seller. When I inspected the items when he brought them he said if there was anything that was too small or that i wasn't happy with that he would take back immediately. I am merely stating that I have had a good experience with this particular seller. He has proven to me in this particular instance to be honest and helpful. Can anyone else can say they have or havent had a similar incident with THIS seller, that is what I am looking for in terms of feedback NOT pure speculation. I understand that there may have been similar practices such as these in the past that were less than reputable. Some people may be biased to these people because they have been burned before. By all means be skeptical but to judge this seller by the actions of past sellers is your prerogative, dont speak on them as if it is fact. no one ever said that they shipped these items, he may if you really need him too since he seems to be a decent guy but im sure that digs into profit margins. Anyone in the hobby with a sizable investment in their tanks would be insane to introduce anything without proper quarantine. Proper QT would provide you with plenty of time to inspect the animal and determine whether or not it is of suitable health. If there are other risk factors your worried about then don buy it from them. Simple as that. Just because you buy a fish from ARC or CF or live aquaria or anywhere else that has an outstanding track record for quality does that mean you just throw it into your system. NO!!!! You quarantine to be on the safe side. so if your going to QT them anyway and want to save some $$ then do it. A whole lot more than $10 or $20 by the way. Look at the price list again to me it seems as though most items are close to 50% off of the retail cost. If you think for some reason that ordering from someone who gets them wholesale will bring about the end of the world then dont do it and leave others to do what they will. As for me I already know that I will order certain items from them again, just like I order certain items from BRS, reefs2go and everything else from LFS' and hobbyist! If the product received is good quality I see no harm. Not too mention If anyone would have bothered to ask instead of jumping down my throat. No these fish are not going into the reef tank. These animals will be introduced into a brand new fish only system. So for me there is no real risk. After speaking with josh and feeling comfortable about ordering, between my neighbor and I going in on this order and starting to stock both of our new systems we save close to $300 total. Worth it at this point and well worth it after seeing otherwise healthy livestock. A total of 16 live items ordered and 1 was unsuitable and is being replaced this week. Ask your lfs owner if those are decent odds from a wholesaler because I dont know. But some of you are right, if your just looking for 1 or 2 items that may be a risk to your $1000s investment and your going to save maybe $100 bucks its not worth it.
 
I figure my 2 cents aren't worth it at the moment and I would skip the entire conversation and stick with the OP. Happy you were able to get a good batch of the black sand and hopefully you get a nice and healthy angel for the one that had passed. I've heard of them and see their ad's constantly on Craigslist(always getting flagged for spamming...lol) but you are the first person I have heard that dealt with them so hopefully others would chime in.
 
I like the LFSs.
Here is a gripe.... Needed a nudibranch or seahare...
none of the 4shops had any. Some of you might live up in North Rochester...
I do not. Its not a little trip. Call ahead because they dont always have what you need. This has happened several times.
Sometimes they close early like on last Saturday.

Many of them are invaluable but there are times I like to interact with people here that dont go through 1000's of Gallons of water.

Gary....I bought coral from you and dont regret it.
I bought coral and a tank from Brandon .... I dont regret it.

There is a local frag swap coming up.... should I not go?
We had a bulk purchase on BRS.... we all know why.

I like going to LFS because its easy to walk in and look around.
If many of you talk to the LFS about your techniques and parameters you will find that even the store doesnt worry about them..
For example, I wont say... but at least one of my favorite LFS does not use RO/DI water. OK. But I would think that would be perhaps shocking to some on these pages. Try telling them you are using Randy's recipe in place of their expensive Bionic solutions. I'm sure we have all been through this.

No big deal. LFS have their place. They make the hobby fun.

I dont understand the apparent grudge with the finger lakes group. I was glad to get feedback. They are as close to my house as the other 3.

Ask yourself this... Why would three LFS in Rochester reside within about 5 sq. miles. Good if you live there... but realistically they will have a hard time surviving being that close -- no matter how much money you invest in them.
 
I like the LFSs.

Ask yourself this... Why would three LFS in Rochester reside within about 5 sq. miles. Good if you live there... but realistically they will have a hard time surviving being that close -- no matter how much money you invest in them.

Why would drug stores, gas stations, fast food joints, clothing stores, and any competing stores co-locate at a mall? Convienience. They each benefit. Competition is a good thing. It keeps everyone honest. If you fear competition, you should be affraid.
 
Aaron, thanks for sharing your feedback on FLLR. I don't think I'd need to use them for my current system, but it's good information to have if I am ever in a position to stock a brand new system.

I'm sorry to see your thread take this turn. However, some of the debate between storefront and wholesale distributer has been pretty interesting.
 
Why would drug stores, gas stations, fast food joints, clothing stores, and any competing stores co-locate at a mall? Convienience. They each benefit. Competition is a good thing. It keeps everyone honest. If you fear competition, you should be affraid.

I'm not sure how they each benefit.
Saturday... one closed early.... I didnt go home and say maybe I'll wait until tomorrow. I drove down the street 1mi and went to the next store.
Perhaps you think it is good when two coffee shops move in next door to one another. Good for the consumer -- bad for the seller. Personally... I think they are all at risk. Its not like selling cars. Not everyone is buying reef supplies. I wouldnt exactly call reef supplies --- high demand.

To be honest... I think some of the comments in this thread are a little hypocritical.
We all buy from the internet. Maybe not livestock, but even some of those with critical comments have posts that describe corals not bought at the LFS.
 
as far as I'm concerned this thread is all about learning, not bashing.
You think local stores bring there fish in from there home tanks?NO!!! they get them off the airplane then put in tanks to sell . They dont qt big deal they might run a little copper through there tanks but that dont matter unless the fish is there for a while. If anything it would be better to get right off the plane then them throwing it in there tanks with all the other fish and going in 3 different tanks in 1 day.
Rock- speaking from experience nothing could be further from the truth.

There's are many good reasons the supply chain for livestock has evolved into what it is today.

This all goes back to aquarium keeping 101. Go to the LFS and inspect a fish before purchasing it. Make sure it's healthy. Make sure it's eating and (in my particular case) new arrivals are NEVER purchased immediately.
 
I'm not sure how they each benefit.
Saturday... one closed early.... I didnt go home and say maybe I'll wait until tomorrow. I drove down the street 1mi and went to the next store.
Perhaps you think it is good when two coffee shops move in next door to one another. Good for the consumer -- bad for the seller. Personally... I think they are all at risk. Its not like selling cars. Not everyone is buying reef supplies. I wouldnt exactly call reef supplies --- high demand.

To be honest... I think some of the comments in this thread are a little hypocritical.
We all buy from the internet. Maybe not livestock, but even some of those with critical comments have posts that describe corals not bought at the LFS.

I agree good for the consumer. I disagree COMPLETELY bad for the seller!
Anyone in business is taking risks. Why else would one choose to go into business? Isn't it all about risk / reward? The example you site may not be the best one though, selling cars? It seems to me no-one is buying cars. Yet they still co-locate. The advantage is EXACTLY as you stated, if one guy is closed, you go right next door (or a mile down the road) vs. 5 or 10 miles to the next village. You are correct though that some of the comments may seem hypocritical. In fact, we all are to some degree. Survival of the fittest applies. Unless totally ignorant, we tend to do what's best for ourselves. In the end, like our clothing, family farms, electronics, automotive industry, and ultimately the LFS will be lost. Evolution doesn't care. Kinda sad really.
 
But this is the real world we all live in I guess and some people think they are elite.
you said it, not me.

Please examine your previous posting history, "Jedi". Whenever a discussion comes up you stray off topic. You cannot voice a difference of opinion or your insights without resorting to personal attacks. You drop hints at who you are (or perhaps who you'd like us to believe that you are) so why don't you just come clean?

If you're deeply involved with the Ocean Connection website why bother to drop into the URS Forum on RC to shake things up and ask why we all can't get along :confused:
 
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