Bruise, missing scales, or disease?

[avoidtheboyd]

So after trying to match a pair of clowns all I've ended up with is a clown in timeout and a new guy with a ripped tail fin and something else that appeared today. It looks just like discoloration and not really a raised area or what not but I've been trying to research it and can't decide what it might be. I had to isolate my existing clown because he started attacking the new one and i saw the ripped fin but this appeared today. Do fish bruise or could it be ripped scale or possibly something else such as a disease?

 

[avoidtheboyd]

I do have a fairly good sized torch coral. Could it possibly be a sting?

 

[addictedreefer]

That should be a cull IMO regardless. In any event, I wouldn't sweat the mark just yet if it is acting normally otherwise.

 

[avoidtheboyd]

Should be a cull?

 

[addictedreefer]

Should be a cull?

By that I mean it has clear deformities from either inbreeding or improper rearing by the breeder and should not have been sold. I'll bet you paid a pretty penny too.

 

[avoidtheboyd]

it just appeared a couple days after a pretty good fight with another clown. It wasn't bought like this. If you'd actually read the post it stated this very thing.

 

[addictedreefer]

it just appeared a couple days after a pretty good fight with another clown. It wasn't bought like this. If you'd actually read the post it stated this very thing.

If you read my post, you would see that I am not referring to the mark on its head. I was referring to other classic deformities in low quality tank raised clowns -- flat face, underbite, stubby body and fins.

 

[avoidtheboyd]

So you determined this all from a blurry photo? For starters he's really young, secondly, you can hardly even tell his jawline from the photo, a good third of the ends of his fins are translucent (blurry photo again, can't see them), and lastly, i didn't ask your opinion on the quality of the clown nor do i care if you like tank raised or not or what you even think of the designer/tank raised clowns or their qualities. i asked about the marking on his head.

 

[addictedreefer]

So you determined this all from a blurry photo? For starters he's really young, secondly, you can hardly even tell his jawline from the photo, a good third of the ends of his fins are translucent (blurry photo again, can't see them), and lastly, i didn't ask your opinion on the quality of the clown nor do i care if you like tank raised or not or what you even think of the designer/tank raised clowns or their qualities. i asked about the marking on his head.

First, I provided my opinion regarding your question regarding the mark on its head.

Second, last I checked this was a discussion forum -- there is no rule that replies to a post must conform strictly to the specific question asked.

Third, I can see that your clown is a cull from a mile away.

Fourth, I think it is very important to spread the word regarding proper clownfish breeding and rearing practices. There is a generation of new aquarists out there who are paying hundreds of dollars for deformed mutants and that this is slowly diluting the hobby I love so much. We are getting to a point where some do not even know what a clownfish should actually look like. I don't know how experienced you are, but the fact that you did not know what a cull was and/or cannot tell that this clown has serious deformities appears to prove the point made in the preceding sentence.

I just hope you don't plan on breeding that thing.

 

[avoidtheboyd]

So do you actually breed fish or are you just the self proclaimed clownfish deformity expert? I'm sure if you provided me a photo of yourself i could proclaim you to be a cull from a mile away also.
Also, you proclaim you "love" this hobby so much and want the next generation of aquarists to love it as much as you, yet the only thing you're providing to the next generation is criticism on their fish from even a blurred image. Hobbies tend to die off when the mentors of the youth are nothing but negative people such as yourself.
I just hope you don't plan on breeding or if you already have, i hope you plan on culling the young.

 

[addictedreefer]

So do you actually breed fish or are you just the self proclaimed clownfish deformity expert? I'm sure if you provided me a photo of yourself i could proclaim you to be a cull from a mile away also.
Also, you proclaim you "love" this hobby so much and want the next generation of aquarists to love it as much as you, yet the only thing you're providing to the next generation is criticism on their fish from even a blurred image. Hobbies tend to die off when the mentors of the youth are nothing but negative people such as yourself.
I just hope you don't plan on breeding or if you already have, i hope you plan on culling the young.

Stooping to the level of personal attacks such as those you have made are unacceptable and not to be tolerated on this forum. I have reported to the mods and hopefully they will take appropriate action.

As for your arguments on the merits, I am not a clownfish breeder (though I have several pairs of breeding clowns) as I much prefer wild caught specimens as they are generally defect free. Please note that this is not to say that there aren't beautiful tank raised clowns out there, but they tend to be the exception, not the rule. However, I have nearly a decade of experience and particular affinity for clowns/anemones. I have literally seen thousands of clownfish and can tell immediately that yours suffers from a number of deformities. If you think that it's photo quality, feel free to post a better picture. Also happy for other experienced reefers to chime in. For reference, attached are some pictures of some of my clowns.

 

[Sugar Magnolia]

I believe Avoid was talking about breeding clownfish.

 

[addictedreefer]

I disagree. Pretty clear what he meant from the second sentence of his last post: "I'm sure if you provided me a photo of yourself i could proclaim you to be a cull from a mile away also."

 

[avoidtheboyd]

So personal attacks are out of hand, but your first comment was that my fish should have been killed,

 

[Sk8r]

Please rein it in. [flamealert]

 

[pga7602]

Stooping to the level of personal attacks such as those you have made are unacceptable and not to be tolerated on this forum. I have reported to the mods and hopefully they will take appropriate action.

As for your arguments on the merits, I am not a clownfish breeder (though I have several pairs of breeding clowns) as I much prefer wild caught specimens as they are generally defect free. Please note that this is not to say that there aren't beautiful tank raised clowns out there, but they tend to be the exception, not the rule. However, I have nearly a decade of experience and particular affinity for clowns/anemones. I have literally seen thousands of clownfish and can tell immediately that yours suffers from a number of deformities. If you think that it's photo quality, feel free to post a better picture. Also happy for other experienced reefers to chime in. For reference, attached are some pictures of some of my clowns.

Those are nice wild percs you have there. Not to add to the debate, but I too breed wild percs and have to admit that I had to cull over 60 percent each batch due to deformities. I think Line breeding causes some of the deformities you describe, but the act of breeding also does it. I think that nature does some natural culling if you know what I mean.