Red Sea Purple Tang
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CMAS Picnic on August 18!
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DarkLordCoral
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With the way things are going around here, we would have to have the jello approved by the FDA for CMAS use lol
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10563215#post10563215 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by DarkLordCoral
It just hit me... Forget the dunk tank idea! I'm getting a wrestling ring.
C'mon food (provided by CMAS & DLC for CMAS members) Beer (Not provided by CMAS) and you all can settle your problems
Mike, is there gonna be beer?
DarkLordCoral
Registered Member
DLC is providing a keg to those 21 and over to consume within moderation
I appreciate the humor at the end of the thread to try and lighten things up. But the fact remains that threads like this are in no way going to help membership.
I have been contemplating joining for a while now, but there always seems to be some kind of issue like this just when I thought I had my mind made up. That's not to say that there are always issues, but those are the only ones I remember.
As far as DLC is concerned, as long as they are going to let you use their property which happens to have a shop onsite, why shouldn't they be able to sell. But to me the shop should be open to the public at the same time, if the picnic attendees want to "visit" the shop, at that point they are just paying customers.
I will remain, for a while longer, a tentative member.
I have been contemplating joining for a while now, but there always seems to be some kind of issue like this just when I thought I had my mind made up. That's not to say that there are always issues, but those are the only ones I remember.
As far as DLC is concerned, as long as they are going to let you use their property which happens to have a shop onsite, why shouldn't they be able to sell. But to me the shop should be open to the public at the same time, if the picnic attendees want to "visit" the shop, at that point they are just paying customers.
I will remain, for a while longer, a tentative member.
DarkLordCoral
Registered Member
Actually I think I do somewhere 
DarkLordCoral
Registered Member
That's what the whole point is supposed to be...
flapjack1439
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10553971#post10553971 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by FiberLux
Mike, there is nothing in the CMAS bylaws which prevents us from holding our meetings at a club sponsor's location. Just because our host will have their shop inside open while we have our picnic going outside, that is not against our bylaws.
Boyd
Boyd,
I beg to differ. The CMAS Constitution and Bylaws seem to be pretty specific.
Article 2, section 2 of the CMAS Constitution states “Under no circumstances may any part of the income of this Club be used to the benefit of any Officer, Trustee or Member.â€Â
The owners of DLC are members of CMAS and will benefit and profit from CMAS spending Club income, to finance a picnic at their store. That clearly violates the Constitution.
Article 3, section 5 of the Bylaws states “Commercial Members shall consist of those individuals holding a financial interest in any phase of the aquarium of tropical fish sales, being either fresh or salt water. Commercial Members may not hold office, regardless of Charter membership affiliation, but they may vote. Commercial Members may not solicit at the General Meetings, or at any other Club sponsored functions."
DLC soliciting business at a CMAS picnic, being held at their store clearly violates the Bylaws.
Has CMAS financed similar events at other stores?
I object to CMAS money being used to finance an event at any retail location that will profit from the event. Again, the key phrase is CMAS money. If DLC or any other store wants to fund a picnic or any other event and invite the CMAS membership, as Sharky's did, there is no conflict.
The CMAS Constitution seems pretty clear on the concept of the Club not being used, by anyone, to profit from its activity.
If you feel the Constitution is too restrictive, in this respect, perhaps it should be changed instead of disregarded.
Patrick
prugs
Moving Out
From an outsider (non-CMAS member) looking in, I would like to offer these words in peace.
We at the WRS are in the process of finalizing the by-laws & constitution. We had thought about raising funds thru commercial membership fees. But some of our members run small businesses, & make frequent donations to the club. They will offer to host meetings, & the members know that they are going to get a deal. The donations & deals that these businesses provide to our club out way the commercial membership fees. It's a Win-Win for everyone. We dropped the whole commercial member area from our by-laws with all the silly restrictions.
Now if a store wants their own banner or forum on our website, that will cost the commercial vendor.
If I wasn't working this weekend, I would come to the CMAS Summer Picnic, pay the membership fees, have some food & drink, enjoy everyone's company, make new friends, laugh out loud, maybe make a purchase, maybe not.
We at the WRS are in the process of finalizing the by-laws & constitution. We had thought about raising funds thru commercial membership fees. But some of our members run small businesses, & make frequent donations to the club. They will offer to host meetings, & the members know that they are going to get a deal. The donations & deals that these businesses provide to our club out way the commercial membership fees. It's a Win-Win for everyone. We dropped the whole commercial member area from our by-laws with all the silly restrictions.
Now if a store wants their own banner or forum on our website, that will cost the commercial vendor.
If I wasn't working this weekend, I would come to the CMAS Summer Picnic, pay the membership fees, have some food & drink, enjoy everyone's company, make new friends, laugh out loud, maybe make a purchase, maybe not.
FiberLux
New member
Patrick, I am not trying to minimize your concerns, but you are reading way too much into this event and those others you have mentioned. You can interpret the words of the CMAS Constitution and Bylaws to mean different things, but the following is clear:1. CMAS is not financing any event at DLC. We are having a picnic at the home of one of our members, who has been gracious enough to provide a location for the picnic, a tent in case of rain, a grill and some refreshments.
2. CMAS is paying for the food for the picnic.
3. No CMAS member or CMAS Sponsor or LFS will profit from the CMAS picnic.
4. CMAS has not financed meetings at any LFS.
5. No CMAS member will be soliciting business at the CMAS picnic.
There is no 'hidden agenda' here, just an activity planned to allow our members to get together for food, fun and reef stories.
As a side note, the CMAS Board will discuss the bylaws and constitution and whether any wording needs to be changed. If the board decides that changes are necessary, we will act within the CMAS bylaws.
Thank you for your concerns.
Boyd
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Douglas LEHMAN
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Am I to understand that Dark Lord Corals. The store (i.e commercial enterprise) will be closed, and no business will be transacted the day of our picnic. If that statement is correct, have at it and grill away...
Am I to understand that Dark Lord Corals. The store (i.e commercial enterprise) will be closed, and no business will be transacted the day of our picnic. If that statement is correct, have at it and grill away...
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10569256#post10569256 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by FiberLux
1. CMAS is not financing any event at DLC. We are having a picnic at the home of one of our members, who has been gracious enough to provide a location for the picnic, a tent in case of rain, a grill and some refreshments.
2. CMAS is paying for the food for the picnic.
3. No CMAS member or CMAS Sponsor or LFS will profit from the CMAS picnic.
4. CMAS has not financed meetings at any LFS.
5. No CMAS member will be soliciting business at the CMAS picnic.
There is no 'hidden agenda' here, just an activity planned to allow our members to get together for food, fun and reef stories.
As a side note, the CMAS Board will discuss the bylaws and constitution and whether any wording needs to be changed. If the board decides that changes are necessary, we will act within the CMAS bylaws.
Thank you for your concerns.
Boyd
jcm1229
New member
Since we're trying to interpret legalese which can run several different ways, in the eyes of the IRS, the basement or shop area is probably considered differently than the rest of the house. I'm sure DLC can't get away writing off the whole house as a place of business. Therefore, I would consider the rest of the house and outside the "home". As long as there are no signs like"sale this way -->" or such, if a member wants to venture in that is his decision. I see no problem as the club has hosted picnics at other "homes" in the past.
SaraB
Coral Killer
I agree with John. Mike and Elizabeth were gracious enough to offer their home as the site of the picnic. I think it is in poor taste to raise such issues less than a week before the picnic. This same thing happened as well with Fragapoolza.
There have been many valid points raised and we are badly in need of a club meeting to hash through the issues and not here on RC. I hope to see many of you at the picnic and many more of you at the next CMAS meeting!
DaveBien
New member
When I see a member of ANOTHER CLUB trying to calm us down that tells the whole story. Knock off the comments here on RC and just COME TO A MEETING and air your opinion.
As for me I see nothing wrong and I'm going to go and have a good time. I just hope nobody rains on my parade Sat if they show up.
As for me I see nothing wrong and I'm going to go and have a good time. I just hope nobody rains on my parade Sat if they show up.
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