Copperband Butterfly Primer

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So, my first question is about point of origin. CBB's are available from Indonesia, Singapore, Philippines, Solomon Islands and Australia (perhaps other places as well)...are some origins considered superior to others? I've read in the thread that Australian CBB's may be more hardy...thoughts/experience? Are some origins to be avoided?

Second, is there an ideal size for addition of a CBB to the captive environment? Bigger means more mature and while the intuitive thing is to assume they're more hardy, for some species the adults actually don't make the transition to captivity as well as younger fish. And in some cases the really little ones can't handle the stress. What's considered the "ideal" acquisition/introduction size for CBB's?

Finally, tankmates... I've seen numerous posts expressing concern over Yellow Tangs unless you have a "large" tank. Is 225g large enough? My Yellow Tang is medium
Following is the current plan for tankmates and the order in which they will be introduced. Anyone see any issues for the CBB in the list / introduction plan? Any fish missing from the list that you'd recommend?

You input is much appreciated...thank you.[/QUOTE]

I would get a 3-3.5" Australian cbb. Skip any from Indo or the Philippines.

Your proposed tankmates should be fine, including the yellow tang. Cbbs aren't aggressive eaters so be prepared to feed what it likes heavily, including particularly live blackworms, clam, and chopped seafood (scallop, shrimp and fish). I feed the other fish something the cbb won't eat first (NLS pellets and Omega One veggie flakes) and then put some food that the cbb will eat in the tank, let the cbb eat, then put more in, let the cbb eat, etc. I am going to put a feeding station in with holes that only the cbb can access.

The problem is that the cbb (and yln also) doesn't cruise the tank snapping up as many scraps of food as it can get, so you need to make sure it gets enough to eat. It will just get out-competed for food if you just dump food in and let the fish fend for themselves. This is just a fact of their nature in the wild, where they pick at pods, etc. on rocks rather than stuffing themselves when food is available.
 
Thanks Frank.

I've seen a number of examples of feeding stations for CBB's in this thread and elsewhere. Sounds like I will need to construct something for this purpose as well. But I'm pretty handy so I don't think that's a great concern...just something that will need to be done.

I will have to check for a source of live blackworms as well as I don't have a top notch selection of LFS in proximity to my home.
 
And while we're on it...

Why avoid Philippines or Indonesia? Fish caught with drugs or other reasons?

Those fish do worse. Many show signs of being caught with drugs. They also seem to be handled with less care, frequently dooming even fish caught without drugs.

It just doesn't make sense to take the risk when the odds are so much worse than the alternatives.
 
Do you think they will eat the frozen black worms from aquatic foods the same (eagerly) as live ones?
 
I wouldn't think so, and don't recall seeing anyone report heightened interest in frozen blackworms. A healthy cbb does really like live blackworms. Presumably the odor and motion. The live blackworms are a freshwater animal and don't last long in saltwater, so the "death struggle" of the blackworm once it hits saltwater may contribute substantially to the great interest of the cbb in the worm as a food.
 
Hi all recently picked up a CBB from my LFS last week. It was eating slightly at the store so I decided to take him home to my 100g reef. He's the 3rd fish added (2 2" Picasso perculas). So far he hasn't been interested in anything I feed (pellets or rods food) just puts it in his mouth then spits it out. Is that normal? I do notice he spends a fair amount of time during the day time light cycle forging amongst the live rock and from time to time allows my cleaner shrimp to clean him for a few seconds. My LFS received the fish from quality marine and I believe if I read the tag that came with the fish it came from Australia/the coral sea.
 
Here is a short video of my copperband eating new born brine shrimp from a feeder that is supposed to be for mandarins, scooter bleenys and pipefish.
He will eat just about anything meaty and is one of my best feeders. In the sea they are also always on the move looking for food because of their tiny mouth, they can't eat too much at a sitting. They also have weak jaws so can't bite food like most fish can. They will tear apart mysis but worms are their favorite, in a tank and in the sea and I feel worms are an important part of their diet. Mine gets them every day as do all my fish.

 
I got mine in February of 2011 from a fellow RC member. He had it in his tank for a year plus. I threw him in my 200 gallon show tank which was infested with aiptasia i.e. in every nook & cranny and within a month there was no trace of an aiptasia and of course no trace of a feather duster"¦

He "œCopper" will only eat PE Mysis (I soak it in Selcon) which I feed once per day. I have noticed him picking at the Red Marine algae that my tangs are eating but he spits some of it out so I'm not sure how much he is ingesting "“ if any. I've not tried feeding black worms or blood worms although I see that it is a popular food according to this thread.

I've noticed that when he is hungry he will occasionally nibble at my snails and he WILL eat my open brain coral which is protected with black gutter guard on the left side of the tank (not pretty but effective.)

Other noticeable inhabitants at this time:
2 Large Yellow Tangs
1 Small Black Tang
1 Large Achilles Tang
1 Large Flame Hawk
Various other non-aggressive fish


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^ Try the worms and some raw sea scallop.

I feed my Muelleri Butterfly blackworms with a pipette early in the morning while the other fish are still sleeping - gives him a chance to chase all the worms without competition. Although, my hawkfish is starting to learn of this early morning feeding frenzy. I've even seen the female percula clown swim an inch away from her "bed," grab a worm and go back to sleep mode.
 
So far so good with mine.

I pu a healthy 4" ten days ago at the lfs. He was picking around the edges looking for food. For me that's a great sign i have learned recently when looking for a fish.

I put him straight into my 200g dt with egg crate divider away from my tangs.
right away he was up and down the rocks looking for food. feed some pe mysis, he went for it. second day started training him to eat shaved shrimp from supermarket. He ate a bit, not much. but everyday i try to feed him more shaved shrimp and he takes in bit more. 3 days ago i went to my garden dug up few worms (my red coris likes it) and he went for it with great excitement. and for the first time i actually saw his belly round up a bit. he was making the chopping noise when he was eating the garden worms. very fun to watch.
 
I moved my CBB (Australian) from the QT to the DT and it stopped eating. It had spent the last several months in the QT as I had an outbreak of ich in the DT (my first major health issue in more than 20 years) shortly after acquiring the CBB so I had to keep it in QT for an extended period. While in the QT it was eating garlic soaked frozen blackworms with a fair degree of enthusiasm. Now that I've transferred it to the DT though it looks excited at first but has yet to strike on anything and quickly loses interest. On the plus side I do see it picking at the rocks but of course it still needs to eat some supplied food.

I'll try some alternatives and if necessary get some live worms but I'm hopeful it will return to eating the frozen stuff as I don't have a local source of live worms...I have to order from the Internet.

Is this expected behavior or should I be concerned?

As background, the CBB was alone in the QT (40 gal). Day 1 in the DT (225 gal) it was also alone but starting day 2 has had the company of the ich survivors...a lyretail anthias (female) and a bangaii cardinal. Neither of the tankmates have been at all aggressive towards the CBB. I'd say the opposite is true though I haven't seen all that much aggression out of the CBB. Aside from not eating the CBB's behavior otherwise looks good to me.
 
IME they settle in after 3 days and begin eating. I would try raw clam, scallop & shrimp. A healthy BFF can't pass that up.
 
How long has it been in the dt?

Hopefully you matched the water parameters as changes (particularly salinity increases) can throw fish off feeding.

It isn't unusual for the cbb to stop eating with the transfer. It's interest in food is a good sign. It should start eating again in a couple of days.

You need to get it eating something other than frozen blackworms. Try some fresh seafood from the grocery store.
 
I moved it into the DT on Saturday afternoon...parameter comparisons looked good and I provided a lengthy acclimation period.

Last night it offered at a bit of food but spit it out.

Tonight I'll try some chopped scallop and other fresh foods and see if that's of interest. Hopfully I can avoid ordering live worms just to get the fish started eating again but as it was eating frozen worms and fresh chopped scallop in the QT I expect it will eventually return to those behaviors once it's fully settled into the DT...again, hopefully without having to order a batch of live worms.

Anyone in proximity to northern NJ have some live blackworms they can spare :spin1: ?
 
cbb and clam?

cbb and clam?

Hey all,
I've been considering a CBB for a bit now; i've read some conflicting information on whether or not they can be kept with clams. I have a well established clam (~2" long) on the sand at the front of my tank. If the clam is already present in the tank and the LFS isnt feeding any frozen clams to the CBB should I be okay?

50 gallon, running for at least 3 years
tank mates:1 royal gramma, 1 ocellaris clown, 1 damsel, 1 scooter blenny, fire shrimp, candy cane coral, zoo polyps, acans, snake polyp, mushrooms, green star polyps, devils hand leather, and a teeny tiny blasto im trying to save.

What do you guys think?
 
Mine CBB (almost 2 years in my tank) has never bothered my clams.

Hey all,
I've been considering a CBB for a bit now; i've read some conflicting information on whether or not they can be kept with clams. I have a well established clam (~2" long) on the sand at the front of my tank. If the clam is already present in the tank and the LFS isnt feeding any frozen clams to the CBB should I be okay?

50 gallon, running for at least 3 years
tank mates:1 royal gramma, 1 ocellaris clown, 1 damsel, 1 scooter blenny, fire shrimp, candy cane coral, zoo polyps, acans, snake polyp, mushrooms, green star polyps, devils hand leather, and a teeny tiny blasto im trying to save.

What do you guys think?
 
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