Coral Tank from Canada (1350gal Display Tank)
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tahiriqbal
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Just been though all the pages on this thread and once again red every single comment. Changchai, may also remember me posting comments on his thread regarding my lust to pick one thread every now and then go though comment by comment. Well, Peter this is what I have done tonight and guess, what time is here in the UK 06:58AM. I guess it must be my lucky day that I was reading though Changchai's thread and he very highly recommended your thread which is an absolute treasure. What I can see from your current progress is pure passion for the hobby along with great sense of incorporation and very well planed layout of the whole house.
I sincerely hope that you will enjoy your tank even further by meeting and greeting people though out this lovely hobby. We here in the UK are very proud and honoured that you have chosen David Saxby’s name for the pillar section in your tank. We also hope that Mr. Saxby will have some input towards your lovely and beloved project. I also sometime wonder how we can pull a blinder on our better halves and make them think that everything will be very simple with only pocket change. I guess they know it all and see how far you can push them lol. Well, I tell you what my wife is other way around....
I wish you all the best and hope to see your tank with great success. I used to work for the Royal Bank of Canada in the Middle East and been up your creek few times but only on business. If I get a chance, I surely would love to visit you in future.
All the best.
Tahir
I sincerely hope that you will enjoy your tank even further by meeting and greeting people though out this lovely hobby. We here in the UK are very proud and honoured that you have chosen David Saxby’s name for the pillar section in your tank. We also hope that Mr. Saxby will have some input towards your lovely and beloved project. I also sometime wonder how we can pull a blinder on our better halves and make them think that everything will be very simple with only pocket change. I guess they know it all and see how far you can push them lol. Well, I tell you what my wife is other way around....
I wish you all the best and hope to see your tank with great success. I used to work for the Royal Bank of Canada in the Middle East and been up your creek few times but only on business. If I get a chance, I surely would love to visit you in future.
All the best.
Tahir
Mangodude
The Clown Tang Keeper!
I think the canyon style would look good in a tank that size. Also, I think you could make it one large island and have the canyon running through the center instead of two island touching.
Also, would the corals be certain types for each island? I think it might be interesting to have an all softie island.
JMO.
Also, would the corals be certain types for each island? I think it might be interesting to have an all softie island.
JMO.
my vote: Canyon style with Steve Weast's being the pinnacle example
also, have a look at this background, very interesting
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1242311&highlight=lightbox
also, have a look at this background, very interesting
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1242311&highlight=lightbox
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island types
Peter I too like the idea of the caynon. there is another area bof the reef I'd like to share with you. I was thinking of doing this reef tip/crest area for my future 300 build. here is a link in which i found many helpful ideas and reasons. This particular gentleman uses a process of homemade rock but I had planned to use hand picked live rock pieces to achieve the desired effect. With 2000# of rock this should not be a problem for you.
www.reef-eden.net/2006_reef_5.htm Hope this helps
island types
Peter I too like the idea of the caynon. there is another area bof the reef I'd like to share with you. I was thinking of doing this reef tip/crest area for my future 300 build. here is a link in which i found many helpful ideas and reasons. This particular gentleman uses a process of homemade rock but I had planned to use hand picked live rock pieces to achieve the desired effect. With 2000# of rock this should not be a problem for you.
www.reef-eden.net/2006_reef_5.htm Hope this helps
nineball
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Tahir, I remember you through much a Chingchai's build and I certainly feel honoured to have you join this community as well. Thank you for your generous comments. With the interest that this thread has generated I am assuming that my wife and I will have to live elsewhere and use this house as a guest house...........:wave:
nineball
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Chris, a bare bottom partition is a very interesting idea and certainly doable but we would consider that if it were consistent with a particular reef architecture style. There have been a couple of very interesting lagoon builds in this very thread section of the large tank section that may be great candidates.........
Peter
nineball
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Mangodude, we agree on the canyon style. in fact I have an idea on formation that would work well.
As far as coral type and variety. That would be decided by the actual materials that the chosen Grand Master used in the representative build. In fact, if the Grand Master were still in the hobby I would probably look to them for input and guidence on the design, including the makeup.
Peter
nineball
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Elliott, I will treat this as a yes for the Canyon as well. As far as the selection of the best in that category.........we are not there yet but your info is appropriate for when we are ready for that phase.
Thanks for your input.......
Peter
nineball
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This is certainly a well thought out and interesting build. The challenge here I think is to identify a style that we can see replicated in other builds. We would welcome any input I think that might clarify elements of this or any build that is common to that build. Keep in mind I am NOT in any way disparaging your selection. This is a great build but what would you call the style??
Peter
nineball
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Actually Mike has has his hand in the majority of larger complex builds in the Toronto area. He is also part seal...........as you will soon see!!!!
Peter
I agree on Canyon "style" as well.
Also another possible style(and there might be a more agreed upon name for it) would be an underwater mountain/volcano that just nearly reaches the surface of the water with a 4 side walkaround view. Seems like this style would do well in your tank as it would be agreeable to view from all angles and would flow well into the other sections.
Have you given much thought to how these 4 areas will blend together?
Also another possible style(and there might be a more agreed upon name for it) would be an underwater mountain/volcano that just nearly reaches the surface of the water with a 4 side walkaround view. Seems like this style would do well in your tank as it would be agreeable to view from all angles and would flow well into the other sections.
Have you given much thought to how these 4 areas will blend together?
nineball
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Sage words in your last post Nineball, apropos of aquarium forums indeed. The passions definitely heat up here, but that isn't always a bad thing. Kudos for showing what goes on behind the curtain "warts and all". Leave the slick pictures and triumphs for TOTM. These build threads are for the members that want to learn from what goes on in the trenches. It's fun to participate vicariously from the sidelines as we try to problem solve how to fit the tank through the door you forgot to measure
I will take advantage of the latitude you have offered and throw in my 2 cents on protein skimmer selection...
1) The most important factor is reliability. While I agree that you get what you pay for, for the most part, but I have seen some high end units that need frequent adjusting/service or simply go on strike randomly. The skimmer is only as good as the quality and quantity of what it pulls out of your system. Often, thoroughbred skimmers remove proteins quickly, then fizz away for a few hours without removing anything. It's like the story of the tortoise and the hare. While the high end skimmer is asleep at the base of a tree, or sump in our case, the modest tortoise skimmer is chugging along steadily.
2) Anything that is so integral to the well being of your tank and subsequently your own sanity should have as many fail-safes and drip catchers as possible. This is where the premium brands shine, but even the best of them could use a float switch sensor or some kind of mod.
3) There are limitations to what a protein skimmer can accomplish. Whether the protein skimmer is low or high tech, it can only remove 80% of the available proteins and 20% of the available TOC (total organic carbon). Proteins are removed quickly by even a modest skimmer design, but TOC's remain largely out of reach. A more important question to address in this build thread is "what kind of carbon media and reactor are you planning on using?", but it certainly doesn't garner the same passions that skimmer debates drum up
This study shows the limits of foam fractionation. http://www.advancedaquarist.com/2010/1/aafeature
The author made a presentation of his paper at the last Macna, much to the chagrin of the sponsors at the event. He discussed his (AKA "sirrus6") findings here as well. http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1208815&page=4
Efficient TOC reduction methods were discussed in the above thread as well.
As Nineball has clearly stated, this isn't a forum for picking apart other members suggestions, so I respectfully submit these points as my opinion only, and welcome other opinions with open ears and closed mouth... well more or less
Mr. Wilson, In the midst of my musings about the Grand Masters I took the time to read through the material you linked. Although the material was often over my head, I must say it did elevate my awareness and I thank you for that. One of the most interesting anectdotal observations I thought was the conclusion that the greatest impact on results was the water quality that encouraged steady and substantail water changes. It seems that this element is repeated very frequently among the larger and most successful tanks around the world. This and light are almost 100% endorsed above anything else as THE major factors for health and stability of the entire ecosystem. This paper on the skimmers just nailed that issue shut for me with science and reasoned input!!
Thanks again for your continued presence and participation.
Peter
nineball
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Excellent suggestion rwynn. I have started to think about it and have some ideas I will share once the four candidates become clear. I certainly have the space and with both sides of the tank to work with as you have noted. If and I say if the Chingchai and Canyon are candidates there is an oportunity to actually link the two in an imaginative way that does not dilute either style in any way.......I think. The volcano is a definate style and worthy of consideration so lets throw this one into the hopper and see what comes out!!!
Thanks for your input, it is welcomed.
Peter
nineball
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Haksar, Thanks for your support. As noted above, the actual mixture and variety of coral will be determined by the styles chosen(in part) but most definately by the composition of the selected Grand Masters themselves. Hopefully the chosen styles will allow for the kind of diversity you have suggested.
Peter
northernreefer0
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I'm no grand master but I think this would look great with the other sps islands.
Thanks Mark
Thanks Mark
nineball
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This link is a fabulous resource that I highly recommend as the tanks with dominant styles almost leap off the page. For example I believe there is a 'fruit stand' candidate that defies any peers......... and other styles that are great alternatives. Its certainly not the only resource but it sure gives a good glimpse of the landscape.....or should I say 'seascape'...........
Great suggestion.
Peter
I read through this one as well, I cannot think of a single buzzword, but maybe something like, "Natural Reef Environment", since his entire design with rock and coral was to imitate the natural reef environment with the aquascaping and with the flow.
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