nineball
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Me too.....I don't know what I did wrong.....I will try again but I have some checking to do first.
Peter
Coral Tank from Canada (1350gal Display Tank)
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Me too.....I don't know what I did wrong.....I will try again but I have some checking to do first.
Peter
mr.wilson
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You should consider this mod for the RK2 skimmer. http://www.reefs.org/forums/topic130009.html?sid=ecff8c8a8186c7ad481b9999afc5eb79
nineball
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Actually it isn't really but the one I wanted would have required viagra and I'm not convinced that would have been good for the fish.
Peter
nineball
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Awesome link......it could not be more relevant to me. You folks are incredible...
Thanks
Peter
Great recommendation.
skanderson
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just a constructive, hopefully, comment here. i am worried that if you are trying to put 4 different styles of aquascaping in a tank, even a really big tank, that the end result may not be as harmonious as it could be. im having a hard time explaining this, im just not all that arty myself, but tanks like gardens need themes and flow to look their best. if you can transition from different styles smoothly it will be great but please dont put a bonsai or minimalist region next to a solid wall of frag area. the suggestion for zonation along the lines of what you would see the differing zones of a reef that someone mentioned earlier sounds like a real winner. however in the end there is only one person who has to approve of the style of the tank, and it isnt me. please keep up all the work on this thread. i cant remember ever seeing one with the sheer volume of posts that this one has, and it amazing to me that your responding to everyone. goodnight on the last night of usa having a good health care system.
nineball
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skanderson, thank you. I agree with you and would add a ton more concern on top of what you have already correctly indicated. Current, food path for different diets, lighting variables and yes continuity of esthetic's or landscape. I am hoping that the team that is forming here will help in minimizing the threats to keeping the founding objectives alive. This is going to take time and very focused planning if we are to succeed. That and a small measure of good luck, I hope is not too much to ask for.
So if you can bear with me a bit I can assure you that the evolution to draft a viable plan will hopefully build a consensus before any execution takes place............
As far as the health care debate goes, I'm just sorry that really good caring folks have to suffer through any more polarization. It really is time for your country to have some heartfelt harmony........you've really earned it in my books.
Peter
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Aquarist007
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Curious as to what your first choice would have been for the skimmer.
nineball
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I really agree and I think we would be on the same page as to the style. I would ask you if you would consider Chingchai's style to be a Bonsai or even a slight Hybrid but a bonsai at heart?
At some point I guess I should just ask him....... but your opinions would be welcome.
Peter
nineball
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Actually the serious alternative would be to double up. I still have that option if necessary but I have to keep in mind all the other measures I have planned that may obviate the need for a higher performing solution. More on this later.
Peter
paranoid006
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Congratulations Peter, this is an amazing project.
I will be following this build
I will be following this build
MarkusII
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Hello Peter,
was following the thread from the beginning....
three comments on the equipment:
closed loop inlets:
I would have placed them in an overflow box - it is most probably impossible to clean them in the bottom of the tank when you have hidden them with rocks. And it may be a problem to clean the tubes leading from the intakes to the pumps depending how they are installed or the plumbing is done.
closed loop outlets: I would not do it this way with these 90 degree "turns" of the water flow - produces large friction.
skimmer: I had such a "self cleaning" system with a tube for the waste to the canalization (on a tank half of your size I am taking care off); please make sure you have a refill system for the evaporated water from a not to big tank. If the skimmer gets "crazy" and does a very wet skimming you will otherwhise end up with sweetening the tank. (well the tank I take care of used water from the normal water pipe and filled up endlessly with sweet water; I did not plan that and I replaced it with another skimmer and a small 20g refill tank). - Just make sure not to have an incident like this.
regards
Markus
was following the thread from the beginning....
three comments on the equipment:
closed loop inlets:
I would have placed them in an overflow box - it is most probably impossible to clean them in the bottom of the tank when you have hidden them with rocks. And it may be a problem to clean the tubes leading from the intakes to the pumps depending how they are installed or the plumbing is done.
closed loop outlets: I would not do it this way with these 90 degree "turns" of the water flow - produces large friction.
skimmer: I had such a "self cleaning" system with a tube for the waste to the canalization (on a tank half of your size I am taking care off); please make sure you have a refill system for the evaporated water from a not to big tank. If the skimmer gets "crazy" and does a very wet skimming you will otherwhise end up with sweetening the tank. (well the tank I take care of used water from the normal water pipe and filled up endlessly with sweet water; I did not plan that and I replaced it with another skimmer and a small 20g refill tank). - Just make sure not to have an incident like this.
regards
Markus
Reefski's
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Ok Chingchai,
Some of these are self explanatory so..............
times 2 = 420 gal
I can't fully unwrap the tank yet until the top cabinet is finished but perhaps these candid shots might help the folks trying to help me choose the styles for the Grand Masters. As you can see from this angle getting enough depth for the canyon style shouldn't be too difficult.
I think we have enough real estate to be fairly creative.
The best part I think is that careful planning will allow me to exploit very different views on the back side.......
i just came across your thread and have not read it all. i see some plumbing things that i dealt with in building my system that will affect you.
i have a similar setup to yours with closed loops coming in from the bottom of the tank.
the way you did the one pipe into four will limit the flow to that of the smaller pipe size. the reduction from large to small pipe needs to be at each of the four smaller pipes, NOT before the four way split.
i am assuming that the black screen is the intake for the closed loops. the screen has barely the surface area of the pipe it is protecting. the intake screen will get clogged rapidy, and have a lot of force concentrated over a small area. creatures can and will get stuck to this intake. i know. i had a long screen the size of the pipe and it got clogged and sucked in and killed a sea slug, et al.
are you going to have sand in the tank? another potential problem for the intakes, especially with the outputs also so close to the bottom.
my ocean motions are not working right now because of jamming.
then there is the much higher energy cost of the closed loops compared to powerheads. powerheads are uglier in the tank but easier on the electric bill, easier to clean. when was the last time you took a big external pump offline and cleaned it and the pipework with all the stuff growing in it? another reason to oversize any pipes.
Aquarist007
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It has been my understanding that doubling up skimmers doesn't necessary mean doubling up the skimming effeciency. That may be different with larger skimmers like yours?
nineball
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capn_hylinur, I don't think I would need a doubling of the efficiency. If you give the research paper a peek that Mr.Wilson provided a link to in an earlier post you will find a consistent profile of skimmer behaviour across all skimmer brands and types. They get the greatest yield at the outset of the cycle before the return benefits settle down for much of the time on line when run 7/24. So logic would dictate that the skimmers should be staged to operate best one after the other rather than to run in concurrent cycles........I think, sort of, maybe.:wildone:
It would appear that substantial water changes as I have noted earlier should in fact have an overall greater impact on a percentage basis than the skimmer. The fact that major water changes will be an ongoing practice for the tank should in fact give the skimmer a huge assist in the long run as well. I will also be adding a significant amount of miracle mud in the refugium on top of yet other measures (to be discussed) that should assist the skimmer even more. In this tank water stability and quality will be job number 1.
Also, I do plan an overall lighter bio load as coral will be the main event rather than fish. Having said that, never fear all you fish lovers out there.......I will have some very interesting fish just not the heavy numbers normally associated with tanks of this size. Here is a case of quality over quantity......hopefully
. If nothing else this should prove to be an interesting test for those who say that water quality is one of the major factors for success in this domain.
Peter
nineball
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Thank you kikegt, you are too kind........I am sure the four Grand Masters will have me beat by a mile.........or if you life in canada 1.66 kilometers.
Peter
nineball
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I very much appreciate these comments and observations gentlemen. The team is bundling all this feed back together to take your advice (where we can) and apply it to this build (if we can). Where we can't we will take your caution and see if we can address the concern in another way.
Peter
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