Dinoflagellates.

Well after pulling my UV sterilizer out of the garage and hard plumbing it in, looks like im out of room in my sump.
Skimmer has been pulling 3 times the gunk out than "normal" before the addition of the UV sterilizer. Skimmate is brown in color when normally it has a green tint to it. Hopefully the brown is due to some dead Dinos. That is 3 days skimmate. Intrested to see how skimmer reacts now that UV is online as well.
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Fishkeeper- go lights out too. You want them free floating as much as possible so the UV and skimmer get them. And run the skimmer on low flow - make them burn.

That's what worked for me, anyway.
 
34cygni

This must be the mother of all posts here on Reef Central.
It's very fitting having this extremely detailed insight into bacteria on page 101.
This is something we humans have a problem comprehending even though it's an important and a huge world it's also mostly invisible to us.

There is no doubt that this microscopic world plays a big part in reefs life and death, but how exactly is another matter. The demise of massive coccolithophore blooms, in just a few days, by a virus, have been documented so they hold a force to be reckoned with.

I found your wall of text to be very interesting and well done and clearly it took a lot of effort to research and get in writing. I think many with a diploma would not have done any better with this difficult matter.
 
I read it all twice and I agree
I need to read it a dozen times. And after that, if only 10% sticks with me, I'll have learned more that I have in the past year.
This is one of the most in-depth, informative threads ever posted on this or any forum. My thanks to all of you who have participated and posted your findings.
If there's someone out there with the time (and a better understanding of everything presented here) who could condense this thread down to a "primer" (that could be read in an afternoon:lolspin:), it could save many a hobbyist considerable time and money dealing with this issue.
Regardless, this thread should be move to a "sticky" status. It's a must read, not only for understanding dinos, but how different forms of bacteria affect everything in out tanks.
Again, many thanks!
 
I don't have any special insight as to what is best to limit dino growth in aquaria, but the scientific literature shows many studies where different species of dinos are limited by low levels of N, P, iron, copper, zinc, and manganese.

Randy- the purpose of sharing how dinos get started is to show that they thrive even where other N, P users cannot. With hair algae and chaeto starving, the dinos start to bloom.

I think your point is that there are other limiting elements in the water that could break the dinos without hurting normal algae. For example-" removing all trace of zinc stops them from feeding or replicating. "

That would be changing the trace composition of the salt itself as well as limiting introduction through food, etc... That sounds difficult but it may be relatively easy to test in a controlled environment with small dino cultures at removed traces.

My doubt is that if dino-onset usually comes with ULNS and heavy over-export, that further limiting of elements is only pushing further into an unbalanced artificial state?

The success in the "dirty method" doesn't come from adding waste. It's giving a leg up to algae as the normal and manageable pest. Few other reef keepers actively struggle to get hair algae to grow, and that shows the extraordinary desperation of the dino patients. Those that have bridged back into normal reef chemistry are glad to work through those minor hassles - at least algae can be nutrient import and export managed.

It's literally like trying to get the flu because it's better than cancer. And it has worked.

I went the clean method with UV and skimming, but I have no doubt that my thick ATS export and chaeto removal indicate that my feeding would yield a massive GHA explosion in the DT if I stop my exports. And that is excellent and normal.
 
Actually I'd rather think it more like the "gut" transplants where docs take a bit of healthy poo from a donors gut to replenish the gut bacteria flora/fauna.
 
My bet is Ostreopsis, but I'm not totally sure.
With the phone perfectly still you would have gotten the best possible video and maybe turn off all ambient lights.
 
Dinoflagellates.

They move like Ostreopsis

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What did you do to rid them again?

1) Double up filter socks to catch dead dinos. Replaced sock every day. Placed small carbon bag inside the sock.

2)Turned off lights (tank and fuge), wrapped tank in a towel to prevent any light. Turned on blues for 15 minutes to feed fish.

3) Increased nitrates: 3 cubes of frozen per day for 3-4 days in a 93gallon.

4) Dosed bacteria in a bottle; seachem Stability and Bio-spira

5) Dosed phytoplankton

6) Opened skimmer's collection cup drain to allow it to drain right back into the sump.

Overfeeding really increased my microscopic creature population and you can see them eating dinos in some of the videos.

I just did a water change and still no dinos :rollface:
 
1) Double up filter socks to catch dead dinos. Replaced sock every day. Placed small carbon bag inside the sock.

2)Turned off lights (tank and fuge), wrapped tank in a towel to prevent any light. Turned on blues for 15 minutes to feed fish.

3) Increased nitrates: 3 cubes of frozen per day for 3-4 days in a 93gallon.

4) Dosed bacteria in a bottle; seachem Stability and Bio-spira

5) Dosed phytoplankton

6) Opened skimmer's collection cup drain to allow it to drain right back into the sump.

Overfeeding really increased my microscopic creature population and you can see them eating dinos in some of the videos.

I just did a water change and still no dinos :rollface:

How long did you overfeed for ?
 
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