RichConley
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Quangtam, what are you using for an impellar on the 3000? Did you buy one of the maxflo impellars?
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slavearm
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Just wondering. I have a 30" Tall 12"Diameter skimmer I am building. I was planning on eheim 1260/2s because I do not want to use a bubble plate.
Are there any of these lagunas that could do 40LPM of air and not require a bubble plate in that large of a skimmer, or should I just stick with the 2 1260/2s?
Might be willing to try out one of these baddies.
Are there any of these lagunas that could do 40LPM of air and not require a bubble plate in that large of a skimmer, or should I just stick with the 2 1260/2s?
Might be willing to try out one of these baddies.
I have not use it yet, I was going to try it on a DAS ex3 which is the same as a H&S A200 3x2001. I would have to build a manifold and that may restrict and slow down the water flow but it will cost me a small fortune in 1 inch balvalve unions and unions.
i am not sure but i think the laguna 3000 can be near to this # but i am not sure some member ask here "quangtam7" about it because he test this pump hope he will answer like that we can know for sure. i also don't think that 2 eheim pump will pull 40LPM on that size of skimmer .
RichConley
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I've never heard of an Eheim pulling 20lpm. Thats like 45scfh. Most of the time I see them theyre around 30.
i don't think they will pull even half on that skimmer on the H&S A200 they pull max 15LPM when you measure separate if the 2 air pipe will be under one silencer they will be less then 30LPM .
hahnmeister
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On a 30" high, you should be able to get 800-900 lpm as long as the eheim isnt at the bottom of the skimmer like on a bubble plate.. this does kill performance a bit. As for types, stick with the new Max-Flo and PowerJet series. The 1500 is one that I have been thinking might be a contender for the 2000lph category (similar to the older 5000, but the 5000 needs that impeller swap due to the brass in the older models). The max-flo or PJ 1500 should be a good match.
OR, I have been trying to figure out if anyone has modded an Oceanrunner 6500... it looks like it should have some potential to be a great needlewheel, provided the impeller well/volute is large enough.
Yeah, there are 1262s that ATI used to use in threadwheel version for about 1800lph. This was a threadwheel though, and also a modded 1" outlet. The 1" outlet (like deltec and H&S) is actually rather easy to DIY (just sand out the threads on the 3/4" threaded outlet with a good spade or uni-bit, then use the lip around the outlet on the face of the pump to bond a 1" pipe/union to the front of the pump. Thats it. The main reason the eheim 1262 could pull that much though was because the ATI twister skimmers that used this pump were only 22" tall or less, and only had about a 16" waterline inside... much different than a 30" tall skimmer unless you mount the pumps higher up on the body with downward facing outlets like a Euroreef or Grotech.
To replace two eheims 1262s... the Laguna 1500-2000 might be the ticket though. Otherwise, these OR 6500s might be the next hot pump to mod up.
OR, I have been trying to figure out if anyone has modded an Oceanrunner 6500... it looks like it should have some potential to be a great needlewheel, provided the impeller well/volute is large enough.
Yeah, there are 1262s that ATI used to use in threadwheel version for about 1800lph. This was a threadwheel though, and also a modded 1" outlet. The 1" outlet (like deltec and H&S) is actually rather easy to DIY (just sand out the threads on the 3/4" threaded outlet with a good spade or uni-bit, then use the lip around the outlet on the face of the pump to bond a 1" pipe/union to the front of the pump. Thats it. The main reason the eheim 1262 could pull that much though was because the ATI twister skimmers that used this pump were only 22" tall or less, and only had about a 16" waterline inside... much different than a 30" tall skimmer unless you mount the pumps higher up on the body with downward facing outlets like a Euroreef or Grotech.
To replace two eheims 1262s... the Laguna 1500-2000 might be the ticket though. Otherwise, these OR 6500s might be the next hot pump to mod up.
hahnmeister
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Of course, on a 30" tall, 12" diameter body, if you did use a bubble plate, you could use a larger Laguna. There are even ways to make bubble plates for existing rerirc designs... just a hockey puck with holes in the top like a showerhead, and a inlet pipe on one side to thread into the pump outlet from inside the skimmer. There are ways... but a 12" diameter skimmer should be able to handle 4000lph of air... so even the big dog 2400 shouldnt be a problem.
slavearm
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I am just not really excited about the idea of a bubbleplate.
As for the 1260 pulling 20LPM, I will have to take a video of the one I modified for my AP851 that makes that.
As for the skimmer height.
The body is about 23" tall. 6" Neck (Including transition) is about 9" tall. Which is where the 32" comes from. I had planned on mounting the pumps about halfway up in a recirc design. With the outlet at a 45 degree angle slightly down. Similar to the design of the larger deltecs.
Plus, how exactly would you recirc a bubbleplate skimmer? I was planning on running this beast externally.
As for the 1260 pulling 20LPM, I will have to take a video of the one I modified for my AP851 that makes that.
As for the skimmer height.
The body is about 23" tall. 6" Neck (Including transition) is about 9" tall. Which is where the 32" comes from. I had planned on mounting the pumps about halfway up in a recirc design. With the outlet at a 45 degree angle slightly down. Similar to the design of the larger deltecs.
Plus, how exactly would you recirc a bubbleplate skimmer? I was planning on running this beast externally.
hahnmeister
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You can recirc it like this... a modification of the ATI bubble plate...
Or Bubbleking Recircs use a similar method.
But for an existing recirc, where the pump outlet is up higher, you can make an acrylic disk... something out of a 2-3" thick ring of 4-6" OD acrylic pipe with a front and back... to make a 'hockey puck'. Then, drill out one side (or both sides actually) of the disk with multiple 1/4" holes. Then add a 1" inlet on the side (or whatever you need to attach it to the pump outlet). Now it should look like one of those rain/downpour showerheads. Now you have something that you can attach on your regular skimmer to make it into a bubble plate.
OR, rather than a 'puck' you can use any shape you want. You could use a ring with holes in it, you could use a straight pipe with holes all around.... you name it. its up to you. I have one I made from a 4" diameter acrylic sphere... holes in all direction. Its a 'bubble ball' rather than plate...
Or Bubbleking Recircs use a similar method.
But for an existing recirc, where the pump outlet is up higher, you can make an acrylic disk... something out of a 2-3" thick ring of 4-6" OD acrylic pipe with a front and back... to make a 'hockey puck'. Then, drill out one side (or both sides actually) of the disk with multiple 1/4" holes. Then add a 1" inlet on the side (or whatever you need to attach it to the pump outlet). Now it should look like one of those rain/downpour showerheads. Now you have something that you can attach on your regular skimmer to make it into a bubble plate.
OR, rather than a 'puck' you can use any shape you want. You could use a ring with holes in it, you could use a straight pipe with holes all around.... you name it. its up to you. I have one I made from a 4" diameter acrylic sphere... holes in all direction. Its a 'bubble ball' rather than plate...
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slavearm
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I am rethinking the 5000 now. My 1260 in my deltec (modded by me) pulls 17-19LPM (it bounces)
Anyways here are the graphs I created.
So I am down to either a Max-Flo 2400 or 2-3 1260s per my original plan. There would be a hell of a lot less turbulance with the 1260s, but the Max-Flo may just rock (would definately require a bubble plate I am thinking). I think I need to get my hands on a MaxFlo and see how bad it is or isn't. I had thoughts of potentially splitting up the outlet of the Max-Flo to 2 or 3 outlets into the skimmer each angled to the side and slightly down. I with the MaxFlos weren't 120+ to play with though.
Anyways here are the graphs I created.
So I am down to either a Max-Flo 2400 or 2-3 1260s per my original plan. There would be a hell of a lot less turbulance with the 1260s, but the Max-Flo may just rock (would definately require a bubble plate I am thinking). I think I need to get my hands on a MaxFlo and see how bad it is or isn't. I had thoughts of potentially splitting up the outlet of the Max-Flo to 2 or 3 outlets into the skimmer each angled to the side and slightly down. I with the MaxFlos weren't 120+ to play with though.
RichConley
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slavearm, the problem is that those numbers aren't correct.
Remember, this is a DIY project, and people are getting numbers all over the place.
I've seen anythign from 60scfh/55w on the 5000 to 40scfh/110w.
Remember, this is a DIY project, and people are getting numbers all over the place.
I've seen anythign from 60scfh/55w on the 5000 to 40scfh/110w.
slavearm
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RichConley I basically took the best numbers I could find on the thread to make that chart. The eheim numbers are my own. I figured that I would be able to at least replicate any (honest) number posted to the thread.
Magvi 12-14 on the stock deltec pump if I remember correctly. I pulled over 20 with the modded 1262, but that was at the bottom of a 5 gallon bucket not attached to a skimmer.
Magvi 12-14 on the stock deltec pump if I remember correctly. I pulled over 20 with the modded 1262, but that was at the bottom of a 5 gallon bucket not attached to a skimmer.
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