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""""You mentioned your "AWE Rouge"- what is the definition of what this coral is? IE- How is it identified? Secondly, where can I buy one, and be "assured" that it is whatever you are saying it is (per the answer to my first question)?""""
The color on the AWE rouge mill stands out. It is a rich pink that borders on red. Polyps are a light green in color. I sell them, as does tyree and a handful of other vendors who have picked up pieces from me. This coral came in a Kupang Shipment I received is '02. If you want to be assured that you are buying the real thing, then buy from me , tyree or another vendor who you feel you trust will be honest with you. Compare the pictures of their colony to my pics. If you just like a rich pink/red mill with green polyps and don't care if it's off the original "AWE Rouge" then just buy one you think is pretty.
"""""The points I am trying to make is this- your corals is likely a very colorful, very lovely variety of Acropora millepora. But how does "AWE Rouge" gain you any value over a simple "pink Millepora", especially if you are the only person who can decipher it, and you are the only person that can supply it? Apparently, there is nothing to stop me from selling my pink millie as "todd's AWE Rouge", right? Because there is no valuable documentation or lineage to sow so. All would have to do is say I bought it form you, or bought it from Joe, who bought it from you, etc. You get my point.
Again, what is a "look a like"? If it looks like a coral, why is it different? Because it didn't come from you? """""""""
First, I am not the only person who can decipher it. Any consumer canlook at pics and notice the difference. I am not the only one who can supply it, either. What should stop you from selling your pink millie as my "AWE Rouge," is your morals and ethics. If you want to lie and say it is the same that's on you. If you want to say it is similar then great. I have a "AWE Monster Inc loripes" That I have often told people is very similar to Purple Monster. I am growing a frag of each in my system right next to each other so I can photograph the differences (or similarities). Like I said in my original post. The "Seller" who is dishonest will weed themselves out. Compare pictures and find people you trust before you buy.
"""""""""I agree "Don't market RC Cola as Coke". Although, being in the Atlanta area, everything that is brown and carbonated is "coke"!! (You get asked at restaurants, "what kinda coke you want with your burger?"). But I digress. Coke and RC are two established, visually differed products that have a marketed and obvious difference. If no one can establish what the difference between the two was in a scalable way, then by al;l means, market RC as Coke! Because, for all intent purposes, they are the same.""""""""
If you can't find a difference, I don't disagree. We could pour a glass of RC and sell it as coke to a customer and hand him it. He won't know until he tastes it if he got what he ordered. Now it's his. Was he lied to? Yes. If it's close or near identical, is it wrong to sell like this? I believe it is. Here in CA, I order a "diet Coke," and the server replies "We only have Diet Pepsi." I don't really care but I do like knowing what I am getting.
""""""I appreciate you wanting to "own" something unique, and creating a "brand" for a product you can market. But taking ownership of it under the current established "guidelines" is flawed in my opinion. How many other vendors could've gotten the exact colony that started your Rouge? Do they need to call it AWE Rouge? Or Do you need to call it Saltwater City Turbo Red (or whatever)?""""""""
I don't see it as ownership. As I stated above. I am not worried so much about "Credit" as I am worried about the customers who bought the same coral twice at the same show, or that bought a coral from John Doe as the "AWE Rouge" because they saw pics of my colony and wanted a piece. When they get it home and it is not coloring the same as the pics they have seen and there are brown bushy polyps. Color is faded pink almost brown except the tips. Then they tell their friends "The AWE Rouge suxxors!!!" Now if they got a coral that looks to be similar to "AWE Rouge" and all that happens, then they know they took a chance and it didn't work out. I don't think is flawed to offer frags off my colony as "AWE Rouge" or whatever name I see fit. I am simply trying to create a known product for the consumers. Customers deserve some degree of consistency in the products they are receiving. Is it ok for someone to call their millie "AWE Rouge." If they can confirm it's origin in the hobby to my colony, then no it's not wrong. If they just think it's similar or maybe even they think it's identical, but it's known lineage is not to my colony then YES it's wrong to mislead the customer. Say what it is "similar" ""Looks to be identical"" Opinion is not fact.
"""""""I had an interesting discussion on a local board recently on this topic. A LFS had posted that they just got in some blue sunset monti. I said, "what is that? You cant have that. Sunsets aren't blue". But, I got to thinking- says who? What is the guidelines for Sunset monti, or any named coral that is? While I still believe it was a poor marketing campaign for a rather dull piece, but it really starts to open that big can of worms."""""""
There are no guidelines. You are bound by you own integrity and ethics.
The color on the AWE rouge mill stands out. It is a rich pink that borders on red. Polyps are a light green in color. I sell them, as does tyree and a handful of other vendors who have picked up pieces from me. This coral came in a Kupang Shipment I received is '02. If you want to be assured that you are buying the real thing, then buy from me , tyree or another vendor who you feel you trust will be honest with you. Compare the pictures of their colony to my pics. If you just like a rich pink/red mill with green polyps and don't care if it's off the original "AWE Rouge" then just buy one you think is pretty.
"""""The points I am trying to make is this- your corals is likely a very colorful, very lovely variety of Acropora millepora. But how does "AWE Rouge" gain you any value over a simple "pink Millepora", especially if you are the only person who can decipher it, and you are the only person that can supply it? Apparently, there is nothing to stop me from selling my pink millie as "todd's AWE Rouge", right? Because there is no valuable documentation or lineage to sow so. All would have to do is say I bought it form you, or bought it from Joe, who bought it from you, etc. You get my point.
Again, what is a "look a like"? If it looks like a coral, why is it different? Because it didn't come from you? """""""""
First, I am not the only person who can decipher it. Any consumer canlook at pics and notice the difference. I am not the only one who can supply it, either. What should stop you from selling your pink millie as my "AWE Rouge," is your morals and ethics. If you want to lie and say it is the same that's on you. If you want to say it is similar then great. I have a "AWE Monster Inc loripes" That I have often told people is very similar to Purple Monster. I am growing a frag of each in my system right next to each other so I can photograph the differences (or similarities). Like I said in my original post. The "Seller" who is dishonest will weed themselves out. Compare pictures and find people you trust before you buy.
"""""""""I agree "Don't market RC Cola as Coke". Although, being in the Atlanta area, everything that is brown and carbonated is "coke"!! (You get asked at restaurants, "what kinda coke you want with your burger?"). But I digress. Coke and RC are two established, visually differed products that have a marketed and obvious difference. If no one can establish what the difference between the two was in a scalable way, then by al;l means, market RC as Coke! Because, for all intent purposes, they are the same.""""""""
If you can't find a difference, I don't disagree. We could pour a glass of RC and sell it as coke to a customer and hand him it. He won't know until he tastes it if he got what he ordered. Now it's his. Was he lied to? Yes. If it's close or near identical, is it wrong to sell like this? I believe it is. Here in CA, I order a "diet Coke," and the server replies "We only have Diet Pepsi." I don't really care but I do like knowing what I am getting.
""""""I appreciate you wanting to "own" something unique, and creating a "brand" for a product you can market. But taking ownership of it under the current established "guidelines" is flawed in my opinion. How many other vendors could've gotten the exact colony that started your Rouge? Do they need to call it AWE Rouge? Or Do you need to call it Saltwater City Turbo Red (or whatever)?""""""""
I don't see it as ownership. As I stated above. I am not worried so much about "Credit" as I am worried about the customers who bought the same coral twice at the same show, or that bought a coral from John Doe as the "AWE Rouge" because they saw pics of my colony and wanted a piece. When they get it home and it is not coloring the same as the pics they have seen and there are brown bushy polyps. Color is faded pink almost brown except the tips. Then they tell their friends "The AWE Rouge suxxors!!!" Now if they got a coral that looks to be similar to "AWE Rouge" and all that happens, then they know they took a chance and it didn't work out. I don't think is flawed to offer frags off my colony as "AWE Rouge" or whatever name I see fit. I am simply trying to create a known product for the consumers. Customers deserve some degree of consistency in the products they are receiving. Is it ok for someone to call their millie "AWE Rouge." If they can confirm it's origin in the hobby to my colony, then no it's not wrong. If they just think it's similar or maybe even they think it's identical, but it's known lineage is not to my colony then YES it's wrong to mislead the customer. Say what it is "similar" ""Looks to be identical"" Opinion is not fact.
"""""""I had an interesting discussion on a local board recently on this topic. A LFS had posted that they just got in some blue sunset monti. I said, "what is that? You cant have that. Sunsets aren't blue". But, I got to thinking- says who? What is the guidelines for Sunset monti, or any named coral that is? While I still believe it was a poor marketing campaign for a rather dull piece, but it really starts to open that big can of worms."""""""
There are no guidelines. You are bound by you own integrity and ethics.
