Eco-Aqualizer (may fama article)
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Hmmm... Just joining the thread.
BTW:
quote:...under the authority of parliament are protected by a special act, 3 & 4 Vict c. 9, 1840, ...
I'm no lawyer (though I just might have been trained as one in a previous life, before selflessly commiting to public sector work
), but this doesn't look much like a cite from any U.S. jurisdiction, IMHO. Us Yanks don't have a parliament, nor did we ever have a Head of State named Victoria.
BTW, product defamation is a quite well defined legal concept. So is the possibility of lawsuits charging it.
Also see these interesting links:
http://www.thedefensefund.com/ and http://www.petsforum.com/psw/
BTW:
quote:...under the authority of parliament are protected by a special act, 3 & 4 Vict c. 9, 1840, ...
I'm no lawyer (though I just might have been trained as one in a previous life, before selflessly commiting to public sector work
), but this doesn't look much like a cite from any U.S. jurisdiction, IMHO. Us Yanks don't have a parliament, nor did we ever have a Head of State named Victoria.BTW, product defamation is a quite well defined legal concept. So is the possibility of lawsuits charging it.
Also see these interesting links:
http://www.thedefensefund.com/ and http://www.petsforum.com/psw/
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Is there any video of the building just before the fire? Just in case he was seen stalking about?
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This is from the Dutch forum in which Carl Denzer of eco-aqualizer offered to answer questions, clarify things etc.
The final post from them was by Sam Gamble (also eco-aqualizer).
Here is an answer to his post. For the full thread go to the below link and ommit the posts in Dutch if you can't read them.
Posts by Eco-aqualizer and me are in English.
http://www.zeewaterforum.net/forums/index.php?board=37;action=display;threadid=5968
Quote:
Hi Sam:
there are many "oxidizing substances" that can
be measured in aquarium water that are under influence
of photon.
Yes, light can produce either directly or mediated by some organics or mutivalent ions reactive oxygen species. HOWEVER, not in such a large concentrations as measured on the outflow of the eco-aqualizer (for details see my above post).
Since you are the manufacturer and have said (either Carl or you) that ROS can be produced I expect that you can give the quantities and the speciations of these reactive oxygen species.
Nevertheless, in one of your endorsed product reviews it is made extremely likely that bleach is produced.
Also results, now no longer on your website, showed a decrease in chloride and combining it with some of your or Carls's comments on some forums/website it also makes it extremely likely that that the formation of bleach is certainly one of the rective oxygen species produced by the eco-aqualizer. Or the information given by your company was/is highly incorrect.
Since you are not denying that the eco-aqualizer can produce reactive oxygen species I will assume that the results I obtained, and for which I asked for comments by you, is representative if the eco-aqualizer is used. Unless you can show them to be incorrectr in representative cases and properly measured etc.
For the sake of clarity the test I did was a test which detects things like bleach and comparable substances as far as chemistry is concerned.
Here below is a part of the product review endorsed by you:
A famous marine biologist once wrote in Aquarium Frontiers, "aging water gets rid of the gaseous stuff like chlorine!"
This is a true statement, and part of the reason how ECO-Aqualizer gets such results. ...........
........It is important to replenish the chlorine, because of its ability to be a natural sterilizer against nasty bacteria. But what if we could accomplish this NATURALLY, such as ECO-Aqualizer freeing-up chlorine that has been neutralized.
In the above it is stated , at least when read by someone who knows chemistry, that bleach (free active chlorine; hypochlorite) is created and this or perhaps a chloramin, sterilizes the water.
Sterilization means killing.
So if the information given/endorsed by your company is correct then in my opinion it does what good aquarists and a.o. reefkeepers actually try to avoid or get rid of. Namely removing active chlorine (bleach) and chloramines from tapwater before using it.
The final post from them was by Sam Gamble (also eco-aqualizer).
Here is an answer to his post. For the full thread go to the below link and ommit the posts in Dutch if you can't read them.
Posts by Eco-aqualizer and me are in English.
http://www.zeewaterforum.net/forums/index.php?board=37;action=display;threadid=5968
Quote:
Hi Sam:
there are many "oxidizing substances" that can
be measured in aquarium water that are under influence
of photon.
Yes, light can produce either directly or mediated by some organics or mutivalent ions reactive oxygen species. HOWEVER, not in such a large concentrations as measured on the outflow of the eco-aqualizer (for details see my above post).
Since you are the manufacturer and have said (either Carl or you) that ROS can be produced I expect that you can give the quantities and the speciations of these reactive oxygen species.
Nevertheless, in one of your endorsed product reviews it is made extremely likely that bleach is produced.
Also results, now no longer on your website, showed a decrease in chloride and combining it with some of your or Carls's comments on some forums/website it also makes it extremely likely that that the formation of bleach is certainly one of the rective oxygen species produced by the eco-aqualizer. Or the information given by your company was/is highly incorrect.
Since you are not denying that the eco-aqualizer can produce reactive oxygen species I will assume that the results I obtained, and for which I asked for comments by you, is representative if the eco-aqualizer is used. Unless you can show them to be incorrectr in representative cases and properly measured etc.
For the sake of clarity the test I did was a test which detects things like bleach and comparable substances as far as chemistry is concerned.
Here below is a part of the product review endorsed by you:
A famous marine biologist once wrote in Aquarium Frontiers, "aging water gets rid of the gaseous stuff like chlorine!"
This is a true statement, and part of the reason how ECO-Aqualizer gets such results. ...........
........It is important to replenish the chlorine, because of its ability to be a natural sterilizer against nasty bacteria. But what if we could accomplish this NATURALLY, such as ECO-Aqualizer freeing-up chlorine that has been neutralized.
In the above it is stated , at least when read by someone who knows chemistry, that bleach (free active chlorine; hypochlorite) is created and this or perhaps a chloramin, sterilizes the water.
Sterilization means killing.
So if the information given/endorsed by your company is correct then in my opinion it does what good aquarists and a.o. reefkeepers actually try to avoid or get rid of. Namely removing active chlorine (bleach) and chloramines from tapwater before using it.
If you read that thread on the Dutch forum you will see that I'm not denying that the eco-aqualizer does work.
I personally don't like the way it seems to accomplish that task and which seems to be the correct interpretation of how it does it so far based a.o. tests, on the answers by eco-aqualizer and the , by them endorsed, product review.
I personally don't like the way it seems to accomplish that task and which seems to be the correct interpretation of how it does it so far based a.o. tests, on the answers by eco-aqualizer and the , by them endorsed, product review.
If you read that thread on the Dutch forum you will see that I'm not denying that the eco-aqualizer does work.
How would nitrate be eliminated by ROS?
How would nitrate be eliminated by ROS?
Randy Holmes-Farley said:
Is that being claimed?
One of the shops which did test the eco-aqualizer did see a huge increase in nitrate and decrease in alk and pH.
Rise in nitrate was from close to zero to 50 ppm as measured by a Sera test kit.
The result report (in Dutch) is here:
http://www.yourplace2go.com/Aqualizer/Documents/Aquadel-voorlopig.pdf
I thought that was one of the big claims to fame. Here, for example:
"After testing for another 6 months, he had found the perfect combination of light energies, magnetic flux, and transmitting medium. He began making prototypes to experiment with and was provided a test market consisting of 60 consumer tanks through a friend's maintenance company. Their results, including the results from his own tanks were very positive. Testing found there was a reduced need for water changes, nitrate and ammonia levels were lower, protein skimming was enhanced, pH and ORP was improved, along with DO rates and most importantly there were lower mortality rates. A new and totally different aquarium product was about to be born and would be called the 'ECO-Aqualizer.'
and
"With a combined effects of magnetic fields and far infrared, hydrogen bonding is significantly reduced, resulting in an increased REACTIVITY of water. This creates a greater interaction of molecules and therefore a greater tendency for water to undergo essential chemical reactions. These natural energy reactions all help restore balance to water that was thrown into the realm of unbalance due to the mismatch of filter capability and saturate addition. Noticeably users will see filters collect more waste, PH fluctuations reduce, ORP and DO levels increase, and nitrate and ammonia levels decrease. Your tank water will regain natural equilibrium. Anyone can claim these results, but the best judges of the resulting healthy balanced ecosystem are fish and coral and their sustained health and increased activity will reflect this."
."
http://www.ecoaqualizer.com/MarineWorld0403.asp
"After testing for another 6 months, he had found the perfect combination of light energies, magnetic flux, and transmitting medium. He began making prototypes to experiment with and was provided a test market consisting of 60 consumer tanks through a friend's maintenance company. Their results, including the results from his own tanks were very positive. Testing found there was a reduced need for water changes, nitrate and ammonia levels were lower, protein skimming was enhanced, pH and ORP was improved, along with DO rates and most importantly there were lower mortality rates. A new and totally different aquarium product was about to be born and would be called the 'ECO-Aqualizer.'
and
"With a combined effects of magnetic fields and far infrared, hydrogen bonding is significantly reduced, resulting in an increased REACTIVITY of water. This creates a greater interaction of molecules and therefore a greater tendency for water to undergo essential chemical reactions. These natural energy reactions all help restore balance to water that was thrown into the realm of unbalance due to the mismatch of filter capability and saturate addition. Noticeably users will see filters collect more waste, PH fluctuations reduce, ORP and DO levels increase, and nitrate and ammonia levels decrease. Your tank water will regain natural equilibrium. Anyone can claim these results, but the best judges of the resulting healthy balanced ecosystem are fish and coral and their sustained health and increased activity will reflect this."
."
http://www.ecoaqualizer.com/MarineWorld0403.asp
I had not read that.
Well the shopkeeper which tetsed it saw a different result.
Looking at the link you gave:
A little over a year later, after testing different transmitting materials, he found an acrylic material used by the medical industry that allowed for the maximum transmittance of gamma and photon radiation
GAMMA radiation?
If this is true ( ) then a lot of authorities might want to take some action.
In Holland that would be illegal.
Perhaps people should be made aware about it.
Well the shopkeeper which tetsed it saw a different result.
Looking at the link you gave:
A little over a year later, after testing different transmitting materials, he found an acrylic material used by the medical industry that allowed for the maximum transmittance of gamma and photon radiation
GAMMA radiation?
If this is true (
) then a lot of authorities might want to take some action.In Holland that would be illegal.
Perhaps people should be made aware about it.
allowed for the maximum transmittance of gamma and photon radiation
Well, don't get too excited. There's nothing wrong with transmitting it, you just don't want to emit it!
Well, don't get too excited. There's nothing wrong with transmitting it, you just don't want to emit it!
Randy Holmes-Farley said:
I understand that but I was exited about:
he found an acrylic material used by the medical industry that allowed for the maximum transmittance of gamma
Now why would you search a year for that?
After all it is something different than:
he found an acrylic material used by the medical industry that allowed for the maximum transmittance of photon radiation.
Since I have not tested for emmittance of gamma radiation from that device and'we should not say any thing bad, it is in their interest to accept what is being said.
Curiously, I got rid of my collection of rocks that I had gathered over the years for that very reason. One day I brought them to the lab and ran a geiger counter over them. Sure enough, they were radioactive. Not especially hot, but above background, and hot with radiation that went through a piece of paper, maybe gamma radiation.
Now why would you search a year for that?
Good point. Of course, maybe he didn't have anything else worthwhile to do. :lol:
Now why would you search a year for that?
Good point. Of course, maybe he didn't have anything else worthwhile to do. :lol:
Hot Live Rock.... :lol:
