Fish To Help Out With Tang Aggression

nuxx

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Hey guys I have a quick question for all of you :spin3:

My tank has been up for a couple of months and is very tang heavy since I had existing tangs and wanted to introduce the bulk of the tangs I plan to keep together.

The tank is 120x29x31" ~ 470 gallons with a ~ 200 gallon sump/fuge.

Tank has tons of flow and around 500 lbs of rock + 240 lbs of sand.

Right now my fish list is from largest to smallest:
1 - Black Tang (5")
1 - Yellow Bellied Blue Tang (3.5")
1 - Yellow Tang (3.5")
1 - Tomini Tang (3")
1 - Purple Tang (2.5")
1 - Chevron Tang (2.5")
1 - Cleaner Wrasse (2.5")
1 - Black Ice Clown (2")
3 - Pajama Cardinals (1.5")

I plan on running hyposalinity in the next week or so, since I've seen a few Ich spots on the YB Blue Tang. All gone, were around for a week. I quarantined everything, but didn't do hypo/tank transfer/copper. More observation for 5-8 weeks and prazipro treatments. Guess stress was low and nothing popped up. Lesson learned... I've removed my shrimp and am taking out snails as I grab them. No coral yet... so hypo seems like a good insurance policy.

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Back to the topic...

I've noticed nipped fins on the Chevron, Purple and Black Tangs. No scalpel marks though... just nipping from chasing.

The Black chases the Purple around every now and then. I wouldn't say it's a "I'm going to kill you!" chase, more of a get away from me chase. I'd think there would be tail slapping if they were really upset with each other.

Since my tank is so tang heavy now... I was curious if adding fish such as schools of smaller fish like Anthias (After QT), would get the attention of the tangs and maybe reduce some of these chases.

Was also thinking adding larger fish like a Crosshatch Trigger pair might introduce new dominate fish that would calm things down, but would be worried about adding smaller fish after the triggers had been in the tank.

Looking at adding two more Acanthurus tangs down the line to finish the tangs in the tank, but not too soon.

Would love to hear what you guys think about additional fish that might take some attention away and maybe reduce some of the chasing and nipping.

Also... I use 3 rocks with nori on them (in the morning) in different places of the tank. But the dominant tangs just go from rock to rock, never sticking to one... so that doesn't really help with feeding aggression. I do put flakes in later in the day, and there is no aggression during that feeding. Any tips on the nori sheet situation?

Thanks guys! :beer:

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I tend to think that chasing and a few nipped fins is all a part of normal behavior. As long as the damage is largely cosmetic and no fish is starving, I'd not worry. I have 6 tangs in my tiny 265, and they get into it periodically.
 
Thanks ca1ore :)

I should only really worry if I see wounds or a skinny starving fish?
 
Yes, I only get concerned if there are cuts or abrasions, or a fish is so cowed that it no longer comes out to eat. Not sure low long you have had these together, or how you have the rockwork arranged, but it may take a few months for aggression to die down and if you can create some discrete islands of rocks in your tank, each fish may stake out a different claim.
 
They've been together for about 2 months so far...

Here is the rock work from before I added the fish... looks so white ;)

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I've learned the hard way to treat all fish with cupramine then nitrofuracin green and finally 4 consecutive treatments of prazi. So, I'm not a believer in hyposalinity. Seeing spots on my fish would make me treat everything.
 
Just my experience but I had a nasty purple tang and when I introduced a Picasso trigger he and everyone else in the tank chilled right out
 
Nipped or slashed fins are pretty normal, especially when they are still working out a hierarchy. Like ca1ore said, I'd really only get concerned if you start noticing behavior changes and excessive wounds. If you end up with one fish that is an obvious aggressor and need to take action, I recommend the time-out trick. I recently had a big yellow tang who was just plain mean, he would defend a particular cave in the tank and not allow any other tang near it, even my big achilles. After spending a month and a half in my 210 with my chaeto, he's a puppy in the display and swims freely in the tank rather than obsessing over that one area.

Your tank and tangs are looking great by the way.
 
Just my experience but I had a nasty purple tang and when I introduced a Picasso trigger he and everyone else in the tank chilled right out

Sort of what I was thinking with a Crosshatch pair. Just worried that they would eat smaller reef fish introduced after they go in the tank.

My goldflake nips my zebra tangs's tail but it doesn't slow him down, just looks bad

How do you like the Zebra? Thinking the last two tangs I'll add are a Zebra and Achilles at the same time down the road.

Nipped or slashed fins are pretty normal, especially when they are still working out a hierarchy. Like ca1ore said, I'd really only get concerned if you start noticing behavior changes and excessive wounds. If you end up with one fish that is an obvious aggressor and need to take action, I recommend the time-out trick. I recently had a big yellow tang who was just plain mean, he would defend a particular cave in the tank and not allow any other tang near it, even my big achilles. After spending a month and a half in my 210 with my chaeto, he's a puppy in the display and swims freely in the tank rather than obsessing over that one area.

Your tank and tangs are looking great by the way.

Thanks :)

If anything I see the Yellow Bellied Blue turning into the aggressor. The Black just chases the Purple around, I think because the Purple thinks he's bigger than he is.

The YB Blue is just very protective. He gets upset if other fish try to feed of any of the nori rocks and also seems to have adopted the Cleaner Wrasse I just added. I saw him really go after the Chevron when it got too close to the Cleaner.

It's funny the Black and YB Blue Tangs along with the Cleaner Wrasse (???) are the three fish that have full access to any nori rock. Others just try to sneak in for a bite. Those three will just hang out by the rocks. Is it strange for the Cleaner Wrasse to have such a taste for nori?
 
Nope, my cleaner wrasse is the first one to my clip :)

I don't keep the hippo tangs any more, they get belligerent and destructive once they start reaching a decent size. The black/purple sounds like normal behavior, and personally I'd be happy that the black is dominant at this point. Adding smaller fish does "distract" tangs in my experience, like wrasses/anthias/etc, but certainly won't eliminate aggression.
 
Is it strange for the Cleaner Wrasse to have such a taste for nori?

I can't speak for Cleaner Wrasses, but all of the Fairy, Flasher, Leopard, and Halichoeres in my 125 LOVE nori. They will usually grab as large a piece as possible and hide behind the rockwork to keep it for themselves :)
 
Nope, my cleaner wrasse is the first one to my clip :)

I don't keep the hippo tangs any more, they get belligerent and destructive once they start reaching a decent size. The black/purple sounds like normal behavior, and personally I'd be happy that the black is dominant at this point. Adding smaller fish does "distract" tangs in my experience, like wrasses/anthias/etc, but certainly won't eliminate aggression.


I've surprisingly heard this often... sort of weird given their peaceful reputation... Yeah I'm happy as well that nobody is bothering the Black and he tends to be the alpha fish. He did have a nip in his fin once... the next day the YB Blue should a few spots. I think they had a fight... haven't seen spots in weeks, but about to start a hypo treatment on the tank. After that's all said and done with I'll try a small group of Anthias and maybe a wrasse or two. Also start adding coral.


I can't speak for Cleaner Wrasses, but all of the Fairy, Flasher, Leopard, and Halichoeres in my 125 LOVE nori. They will usually grab as large a piece as possible and hide behind the rockwork to keep it for themselves :)


Do you think that gives the Cleaner Wrasse a better chance of a somewhat long life in the aquarium? He was at Diver's Den for over two months before I got him. Seems to really like Mysis and Brine Shrimp as well, which he gets daily.
 
How do you like the Zebra? Thinking the last two tangs I'll add are a Zebra and Achilles at the same time down the road.

hes great no qualms with him what so ever. I got him pretty small though so for the first few months all i could get him to eat was flakes.
 
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