Found at the Beach...

[Pallobi]

The nature of this hobby brings with it some sort of experimentation, it's the foundation of what keeps it moving along.

Do you think the first person that attempted to keep SW livestock in captivity had Reef Central and volumes of reference material at their fingertips? They didn't, yet they figured out how to do it, and here we are many years later.

Food for thought.....

agreed... with that said... now becuz we have internet and RC and whatnot, all of a sudden its not ok? It is ok, and not a big deal... how many of u all have put something in ur tank at some point and not completely understood its captive requirements? Most if not all of us... of course there will be the self righteous who will chime in and say "not me, not me", but that's 99.9% a load of crap... like previously mentioned, this hobby was built on experimentation and not knowledge... granted, now we have a ton of knowledge and I myself use it to my advantage and to the benefit of my animals, but come on, its not a.big deal... u don't have to rain on someone's parade jus cuz they are excited and decided to share here on RC, and u may not agree with it... U ALL HAVE KILLED SOMETHING IN YOUR TANKS REGARDLESS OF WHAT U SAY AND YOUR HUSBANDRY METHODS.... AND YOU KNOW IT... now admit it, and get off your tree hugging pedestals and share in the excitement the op had for their find, help them id and research now that the op has them and HELP OUT, rather than pass judgement or unneeded opinion, or take a walk away from the computer or phone...

And if ur gonna say ur done arguing here, plz do us all the favor of taking your sarcasm and nonsense comments elsewhere as well... like YOU said u would...

 

[Pallobi]

Time for a baby sea turtle BBQ. Whats more American than that. Now we dont have to argue about how were going to keep it alive. Why not invite the good folks here at RC and they can bring their favorite sea animal to the BBQ. I think we should have it at your place. Do you have a pool?

how are these comments in anyway contributing to anything? It's not even constructive criticism... its jus sarcasm and nonsense... try being helpful to the OP, and your opinions would be a little more respected here...

 

[dzfish17]

how are these comments in anyway contributing to anything? It's not even constructive criticism... its jus sarcasm and nonsense... try being helpful to the OP, and your opinions would be a little more respected here...

With this kind of an attitude you are not going to be invited to the BBQ. I agree that its not that big of a deal so why not joke around a little. You cut me deep with your comments though... Im leaving RC and I'm never coming back :wildone: Seriously, none of your points are valid... just a bunch of lame excuses.
Why cant you understand that some people would not have taken them without knowing whay they are. I'm not some tree hugger as you put it, but I have been around long enough to know better. I have made plenty of mistakes and I already admited that in an earlier post. I try to be responsible and I teach my children to do the same thing. I've read alot your posts in the last yr and I thought you were a responsible aquarists...I guess I'm wrong again. You can still come to the BBQ if you want to.

 

[Pallobi]

With this kind of an attitude you are not going to be invited to the BBQ. I agree that its not that big of a deal so why not joke around a little. You cut me deep with your comments though... Im leaving RC and I'm never coming back :wildone: Seriously, none of your points are valid... just a bunch of lame excuses.
Why cant you understand that some people would not have taken them without knowing whay they are. I'm not some tree hugger as you put it, but I have been around long enough to know better. I have made plenty of mistakes and I already admited that in an earlier post. I try to be responsible and I teach my children to do the same thing. I've read alot your posts in the last yr and I thought you were a responsible aquarists...I guess I'm wrong again. You can still come to the BBQ if you want to.

Your posts on the previous page were not in a joking manner, they were meant with a sarcastic and cynical tone and were harassing to the OP... your not fooling anyone by trying to avert the attention to me... your doing the right thing by teaching whatever it is your teaching to your children, and kudos for that, but leave it for them and ur family... and spare us the sarcastic posts... and you know nothing of my husbandry and the responsible measures I take as an aquarists or what I feel acceptable husbandry is and the standards I adhere to, so let's keep those comments to urself too... be helpful, not sarcastic and defensive...

 

[Sugar Magnolia]

Let's tone down the attitudes here folks. If this disolves into finger pointing and name calling, the thread will be closed. Everyone is entitled to state their opinion, so please do so in a mature manner.

 

[dzfish17]

:wave::wave:

Your posts on the previous page were not in a joking manner, they were meant with a sarcastic and cynical tone and were harassing to the OP... your not fooling anyone by trying to avert the attention to me... your doing the right thing by teaching whatever it is your teaching to your children, and kudos for that, but leave it for them and ur family... and spare us the sarcastic posts... and you know nothing of my husbandry and the responsible measures I take as an aquarists or what I feel acceptable husbandry is and the standards I adhere to, so let's keep those comments to urself too... be helpful, not sarcastic and defensive...

Ok,ok ok... lighten up. You can still come to the BBQ but youre going to have to bring the beer now.:wavehand: I wasnt trying to fool anyone, my comments were sarcastic and so were yours pal. Deal with it.

 

[coralnut99]

I would love to see a pic of this sand bed that it will be fine in as it will have to be huge. there are sand sifting stars half that size in 500 gal. tanks that starve to death because it can't sustain the food.

Fwiw, there are 2 atlantic sandsifters in the sandbed of the 120G in the lobby here at work. They've been there for two years now.

Additionally FWIW, this isn't the Responsible Reefkeeping forum, so lots of the comments here are basically off-thread.

Finally FWIW, There are ways to communicate a point and there are ways to sound condescending and patronizing.

Add me to the list advising cutting the guy some slack. He didn't exactly ransack the Atlantic. He has them in a bucket with a filter trying to figure out of they are keepable. Help him make his mind up.

From the pic, the star doesn't look like the typical sandsifters offered in the trade. The arms seems more slender and the coloring doesn't even come close. That being said, it will most likely need to be fed.

Big hermits are almost never reef-safe and definitely not "fish-safe". Unless you have a tank set for him and prepared to feed him, I would take that one back.

The smaller hermits are a roll of the dice as to being reef-safe.

The fish can be the most interesting of the lot. More than likely juveniles, but of what? To figure that one out, you'll need to do a lot of research. There's a few websites out there that will pictorial display fish at various phases of development.

Lastly, don't be convinced that's a mithrax. There are several different species and really tough to distinguish. Most are opportunistic omnivores and while they'll consume algae, they'll take any easy meal.

 

[SkyPapa]

You own no part of any beach, not even a single grain of sand... even if some government entity can give you a deed to a beach, I got a bridge I'd like to sell you...

Neither is really yours... Or truly theirs to sell in the first place...

Additionally, just b/c you live closer to some location doesn't make it yours any more then it makes it mine...

I think the law says from the water to the mean high water mark is public property.
After that the deed to the sand is legal and trespassing is enforced in Florida.
People gain and lose property yearly as the sand moves up and down the coasts.

 

[coralnut99]

it is for sure a whiting...maybe i'll grow him and eat him

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MMMM!!! One of my favorites!

 

[b0bab0ey]

This entire thread is a perfect example of the liberal vs. conservative thing. Especially since it has to do with nature and the environment, an already touchy subject. There's a segment of our population who thinks they've got it all figured out. They live their life a certain way, they speak a certain way and when it comes to nature and the environment, they think they know what's best. And hey, that's cool. The problem is they expect everyone to act/speak/do just as they would in every given situation. Without even really thinking about it in this way, they're trying to impose their will and beliefs on everyone else. And so long as we live in a free country, that's never going to work. It goes against everything this country was built on.

 

[bleedfire]

Let's tone down the attitudes here folks. If this disolves into finger pointing and name calling,

My point is, research what you want to keep. Collecting something from the wild that you have no idea how to care for, IMO, is irresponsible. How do you know what it needs to survive and thrive?

you wont know until you try

 

[gabew]

you wont know until you try

+1 If everyone in the world only tried to take care of animals others had told them how to care for we would have no hobby at all, in fact no pets at all.

 

[b0bab0ey]

you wont know until you try

When you bought something for your s/w tank back in the 80s, it was just sweeping generalizations. Angels are like this, Tangs are like that. Through trial and error we figured out, for example, that CB Angels do quite well in captivity while Bicolors do not. Yellow Tangs are quite hardy, Achilles Tangs are to be avoided. It's not just coincidence that you're seeing less and less of these hard-to-keep fish in your LFS, while the easy ones are always in abundance. It's pure economics... this hobby is becoming too expensive and wouldn't be sustainable if people kept throwing away their money on hard-to-keep livestock. This is also the reason why our hobby is so full of opinions but short on true scientific research. There's no money to be made in that. So, trial and error is our only means of learning and improving.

 

[Sugar Magnolia]

you wont know until you try

I'm of the mindset that I will only keep animals that I know how to care for.

 

[fish77]

I also would have left them in the ocean, just like I would have left a fish in a LFS if I didn't know how to care for it. I am aware of the fact that all of the animals originally came from the ocean. I don't think anything wrong with collecting from the ocean with a license. I don't think anyone was "bashing" the op for collecting them, just making them aware that the starfish has a low survival rate in a aquarium, just like we would tell someone clown tangs have a low survival rate in a aquarium. This is just my opinion. Good luck to the OP.

 

[Wannabe29]

I don't think anyone was "bashing" the op for collecting them

I don't know why I keep revisiting this thread...maybe because I like to read people's opinions on controversial issues...or maybe because this is kind of turning into a train-wreck and I can't turn away...I don't know.

Whatever it is, I've noticed a recurring pattern happening with a lot of the people chiming in here in opposition of what the OP did. You're all criticizing and chastising the OP for taking creatures from the wild...yet, none of you are "bashing."

Go back to the original post and read it. The creatures in question are already at the OP's residence. He's asking for help ID-ing them. Immediately he's pounced on by post after post criticizing his actions and calling him "irresponsible." How is that not bashing the OP?

Never mind trying to explain how it's not bashing because there's really no way you're going to convince me, or any other rational person out there, that it wasn't bashing. Rather, explain to me this: how were those responses in any way an answer to the OP's question? They provided no useful information and, instead, served only to tell the OP they were wrong for what they did.

Helpful, no. Bashing yes.

And, I realize that this post is not helpful to the OP either. However, this thread stopped being about helping the OP pretty much after the first response.

 

[Bnortz]

hot dogs

 

[LifeAquatic]

Hope your hermit crab and star are doing well! I cant believe some of the hypocrits here at RC giving you a hard time for taking a hermit crab and sand sifting star. I mean really? Where do you people think these animals come from? Gently collected from the ocean one at a time by a guy making $40 an hour? No! The ocean is constantly raped of coral and specimens so we can put them into little glass cages sitting in our living rooms. Get over it! Everyone here is guilty and no one is better then the next. Just saying.

 

[sirreal63]

While on a beach visit to Aransas Pass recently, the GF was collecting shells, she collecting many and put them in a baggie with a little water, it keeps the car from smelling. Once we got home, we discovered two hermits and two mussels that were still alive. All shells were collected either on the beach in dry sand, or just at the waters edge. The funny thing is, I checked for hermits, I have a hatred for them and have none in my tank, well except the two stowaways now living in my sump, one is the size of a tennis ball. One of the mussels lived, it is in the display. The hermits are going back on our next visit in a few weeks. People really do need to lighten up, this is supposed to be a forum for helping each other, not taking shots.

Oh and by the way...I like tater tots. :jester:

 

[Pallobi]

This entire thread is a perfect example of the liberal vs. conservative thing. Especially since it has to do with nature and the environment, an already touchy subject. There's a segment of our population who thinks they've got it all figured out. They live their life a certain way, they speak a certain way and when it comes to nature and the environment, they think they know what's best. And hey, that's cool. The problem is they expect everyone to act/speak/do just as they would in every given situation. Without even really thinking about it in this way, they're trying to impose their will and beliefs on everyone else. And so long as we live in a free country, that's never going to work. It goes against everything this country was built on.

AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!! thank you...