Gabriel's NEW 300 Gallon Envision Tank ((PICS INTENSE))
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Bebo77
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tankslave
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Ken,
I talked to the guy who came by the club about it, and he admitted that he wasnt the engineer who made it and couldnt give me a straight answer. All he could tell me was that as long as it was less than 2300gph, it should be ok, but was hesitant to say that the penductor would work. The thing is that the problem was never with flow, but the back pressure. If you could push 1200 or even 800 gph through the penductor, I'm sure the seals would blow, but most pumps arnt rated for that much head pressure and so you usually get reduced flow through penductors, but you generate the maximum back pressure on the plumming/pump. Its not the flow that will blow the seals, its the pressure.
This is what bugs me when talking to these people, they think pressure and flow are synonymous. The pump's power output is a product of the flow and pressure. The higher the back pressure (generated by plumming, vertical head pressure, small constrictions such as a penductor outlet), the less the flow, and this is proportional to the power output of the pump.
Pump output power=Flow*Pressure
http://www.precisionfluidpower.com/fluid_power_formulas.htm
sorry for the sidetrack, but neither the wavysea rep, nor the sea swirl rep had a clue as to why flow and pressure wernt the same.
Then again, since this is a final output device, which means that a rated maximum flow through is only possible with a certain maximum pressure at the device, since its "resistance" is fixed. That is unless, you add a penductor to it. Then you'd have to back calculate the max rated pressure from the max rated flow, presuming you know how much resistance (ie plumming head pressure loss) the wavy sea generates.
So, i'm still left with no way to find out if a penductor will break it without just trying it out, and so far it works...
(I'm bored at work, can you tell?...)
I talked to the guy who came by the club about it, and he admitted that he wasnt the engineer who made it and couldnt give me a straight answer. All he could tell me was that as long as it was less than 2300gph, it should be ok, but was hesitant to say that the penductor would work. The thing is that the problem was never with flow, but the back pressure. If you could push 1200 or even 800 gph through the penductor, I'm sure the seals would blow, but most pumps arnt rated for that much head pressure and so you usually get reduced flow through penductors, but you generate the maximum back pressure on the plumming/pump. Its not the flow that will blow the seals, its the pressure.
This is what bugs me when talking to these people, they think pressure and flow are synonymous. The pump's power output is a product of the flow and pressure. The higher the back pressure (generated by plumming, vertical head pressure, small constrictions such as a penductor outlet), the less the flow, and this is proportional to the power output of the pump.
Pump output power=Flow*Pressure
http://www.precisionfluidpower.com/fluid_power_formulas.htm
sorry for the sidetrack, but neither the wavysea rep, nor the sea swirl rep had a clue as to why flow and pressure wernt the same.
Then again, since this is a final output device, which means that a rated maximum flow through is only possible with a certain maximum pressure at the device, since its "resistance" is fixed. That is unless, you add a penductor to it. Then you'd have to back calculate the max rated pressure from the max rated flow, presuming you know how much resistance (ie plumming head pressure loss) the wavy sea generates.
So, i'm still left with no way to find out if a penductor will break it without just trying it out, and so far it works...
(I'm bored at work, can you tell?...)
fareforce
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6979453#post6979453 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Bebo77
http://wavysea.com/
it can handle 2300 gph....
Let me knw how you like these compared to Seaswirls.. I was plannig on using 4 wavys.. One in each corner, but wanted to find out how people liked them first..
tankslave
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So far, looks real good. I got more familiar than i wanted to with the sea swirl internals, not the best design. These are electronically controlled oscillators, and appear to have a worm-gear drive. MUCH better, mechanically.
I will quickly take back any praise if it breaks, so dont hold your breath...
I will quickly take back any praise if it breaks, so dont hold your breath...
alien9168
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Thanks bebo and tankslave! 
I appreciate the fast clarification!
Why do these wavy seas cost so much, it seams to me they are simply an oscellating powerhead and controller---i guess that for the controller thats not such a bad price. Can you hook multiple wavy seas to the same controler?
-alien
I appreciate the fast clarification!
Why do these wavy seas cost so much, it seams to me they are simply an oscellating powerhead and controller---i guess that for the controller thats not such a bad price. Can you hook multiple wavy seas to the same controler?
-alien
Alien, no, you can only run one wavy sea on a controller. The difference with these 'vs' a Sea Swirl is that you program how far the movement is. A Sea Swirl is 90Ã"šÃ‚° only, a wavy sea can go from 0Ã"šÃ‚° to 360Ã"šÃ‚°. This comes in handy when you put one in the middle of the back or side of a tank, where a 140Ã"šÃ‚° to 180Ã"šÃ‚° would be very nice.
Bebo77
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ok i got the 2 units but bad news.. the brackets that hold the wavy sea on to the tank will not fit on 3/4 acrylic.. i emailed wavy sea to see if they could send me a bracket that will fit on my tank.. here are some pic of the unit.. it looks nice..
i glued some 3/4" loc line fitting on to the end of jet nozzle so that i can angle the output vertically.
i need toget some barb adapters to hook this think up to my return plumbing, no rush since i cant put the wavyseas on the tank...
i glued some 3/4" loc line fitting on to the end of jet nozzle so that i can angle the output vertically.
i need toget some barb adapters to hook this think up to my return plumbing, no rush since i cant put the wavyseas on the tank...
