GHL Mitras Club

Mike, in my tank, apart from 1 coral which couldnt deal with the high PAR in my tank, all others are fine. I did acclimatise the SPS over many months with my old T5/LED unit.

As Matt suggested, slowly increase the PAR over 4 weeks. No more than 5% each week. Since you are at 60% now, in 4 weeks you should be at 80%.

The nutrient level in the tank should be at a stage where you are needing to clean the tank glass about every 3 days. Ensure there is detectable PO4 and NO3.

The spectral signature of the Radium bulbs is proven to be most suitable at colouring up SPS corals. I would try copy that spectrum? I would definitely run the UV and 455nm Royal Blue at full. The other two blues I would run a lot lower. This is where my suggestion differs to what Matt is advising. Matt has actual experience with this light so maybe go with his advice.

However, initially you can try keep the UV and Royal Blue at full, and then adjust the others to try and mimic the Radium spectrum as best as possible and see how the corals respond. After that, try boosting up the other two blues to maximum as advised by Matt.

Here is the spectrum I am running in my combo of T5 and LED:
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That is a combo of 4xATI Blue+, 1xATI Actinic, 2xATI Purple+, 1xKZ NewGen and the LED's at various intensities (RoyalBlue, Blue, White and Red).

That combo as you can see, has a decent Actinic spike, a massive spike around the 450nm area, spike at 545nm (green), 575nm (yellow) and a decent amount of light in the orange to red area.

Can you describe some of your SPS colours? Which colours are good? etc?

My motivation for designing light programs has always been based on the assumption that it is the blue end of the spectrum, including true uv (below 400nm) that travels the best and farthest through water. As the spectrum goes higher through green and yellow, the light doesn't really penetrate very far..
I have always assumed that because of this, corals have probably adapted to utilizing this area of the spectrum the most.. This and the fact that blue bulbs seem to colour up corals best is why I always run my blues at full.
I also believe that an element of true uv is important to properly colouring up sps.
Xm or radium bulbs contain a fair amount of uv in their spectrum.. As well as the full range of uv/blue colour range..

Sahin, just wondering why you would suggest lowering certain elements of blue in the colour mix?

Something else that occurs to me is that t5 and mh bulbs produce light in a very comprehensive way; they emit a full palette of colours with peaks in certain wavelengths, depending on the bulb. It is my assumption that LEDs do not do this. From what I have gathered, LEDs produce very sharp and narrow colour ranges that would look like sharp spikes on a spectral graph as opposed to the smooth waves of varying colour ranges you see on a spectral graph of a t5 or mh.
This is why multiple LEDs are required- to fill in as many gaps in the spectrum as possible..
I always assumed that when led companies produce a spectral graph of their lights, it is slightly misleading that the graph looks like smooth waves. It should really look like very sharp spikes at specific nm points relating to the specific LEDs used..
I believe that for this reason, sps in particular (I have no idea why only sps) have a hard time using the light emitted from LEDs. Maybe it's because they are so close to the surface of the water where, in fact, most areas of the light spectrum are still penetrating the water. Maybe they really need a true full spectrum but still rely on the more blue elements to achieve strong coloration.

As for using k temp as a way of replicating spectral output, I also think that this is tricky... Using the control centre, one can mix the blue LEDs in many ways to achieve a value of 20k... Or any k value for that matter. I think there is some, obviously, but not a great correlation between k temp and spectral output..

I know that this is long winded and based ONLY on my 'google knowledge' since I have no background in light dynamics but I think it's worth noting..
And if I've said something that is inaccurate, please correct me. I'm here to learn and share information..
 
Well if you are getting those readings either there is something wrong with my lights or my par meter.
I get about 200 at the surface and 80 mid tank, forget about on the sand.

That is very odd.. Can't be right.. Either the meter or the light is at fault..
I forget, are you using just one Mitras?
Could you use the meter on another light source to verify if it's working properly?
 
Hi Matt, it was simply an idea to copy the Radium spectrum which has a very LARGE distinct sharp spike around 450nm (which isnt a wide range like T5's). You are absolutely correct that T5's etc have a VERY wide range in the blue area. Was just an idea to try. It would also have meant that it would have been possible to boost the other channels a bit more to get a more balanced spectrum without increasing the PAR excessively.
 
Hi Matt, it was simply an idea to copy the Radium spectrum which has a very LARGE distinct sharp spike around 450nm (which isnt a wide range like T5's). You are absolutely correct that T5's etc have a VERY wide range in the blue area. Was just an idea to try. It would also have meant that it would have been possible to boost the other channels a bit more to get a more balanced spectrum without increasing the PAR excessively.

i try to do that last night but now sure if its possable to be honest.. later, i will play again and post here what i come up with.. its more of a 14k spectrum but i rememebr color on my Radiums -this is not even close:(
 
i try to do that last night but now sure if its possable to be honest.. later, i will play again and post here what i come up with.. its more of a 14k spectrum but i rememebr color on my Radiums -this is not even close:(

Was worth a try I guess. I thought with the amount of channels on the Mitras it would have been possible. :facepalm:

Not to worry. ;)
 
As much as I love the GHL hardware I have never been totally impressed with their software. As a onetime UI designer/graphics person and programmer, it is antiquated at best.

As a Mac user, the rationale for not having a Mac version has never been satisfying to me from either a programmers perspective or a financial one. Minimal initial upfront costs vs. long term benefits would seem to warrant a true cross platform environment.

There also seem to be a number of these little glitches in the software. Don't get me wrong I do love what I have with the Profilux and the Mitras. I just think they could be better.

I totally agree with this, talk about poor programming. their new software getting better but honestly it should be excellent, like the fixture. Very.. not intuitive.. in many regards.
 
Ive always struggled with this argument, I guess I have been playing with their software for near on 10 years, but where is the complexity in setting a time, choosing at the most simplest level and spectrum value and pressing "upload" Could it be more simpler?

I am probably the LEAST most software friendly user (give me a new bit of software and I am like deer staring down the barrel of a shotgun with flash light strapped to it!) and it took my at the beginning without picking up a manual about 15 minutes to figure out. Sometimes us men over think the simplest of reasoning's, including myself ;)

My how to guide on youtube has been a great asset also.

In regards to Mac, the light has a web interface thru the ProfiLux which is being consistently expanded upon, I dont think you will find many companies in this field including leading USA brands investing in dedicated Mac software when everyone is moving over to web based applications that are not specific to the machine they are being run on.
 
Ive always struggled with this argument, I guess I have been playing with their software for near on 10 years, but where is the complexity in setting a time, choosing at the most simplest level and spectrum value and pressing "upload" Could it be more simpler?

I could not agree more. Even with the latest iteration of their software the Apex is still a PITA to program. The Profilux is hands down one of the best at making those tasks simple to set up (eg; Auto top off).

[/QUOTE]I am probably the LEAST most software friendly user (give me a new bit of software and I am like deer staring down the barrel of a shotgun with flash light strapped to it!) and it took my at the beginning without picking up a manual about 15 minutes to figure out. Sometimes us men over think the simplest of reasoning's, including myself ;)[/QUOTE]

Yes, once you realize that you don't have to type in codes you tend to relax.

[/QUOTE]My how to guide on youtube has been a great asset also.[/QUOTE]

Yes, and thank you for making it.

[/QUOTE]In regards to Mac, the light has a web interface thru the ProfiLux which is being consistently expanded upon, I dont think you will find many companies in this field including leading USA brands investing in dedicated Mac software when everyone is moving over to web based applications that are not specific to the machine they are being run on.[/QUOTE]
It's true that companies are moving over to HTML based interfaces and yes, this will offer true platform agnostic control... but in this area GHL is trailing everyone else. The web interface is, to be kind, not great. We want great, it's why we bought the Profilux and Mitras to begin with.
Here is what Pacific Sun has for their dedicated Mac software (yes, companies are making dedicated Mac software):
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And this:

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Now what is stopping GHL from making something at least as good? If they need to halt development of the dedicated
software to really bang out a killer web interface then tell us and get it done.
Keep in mind I wouldn't be this passionate about it if I wasn't completely sold on GHL. The Apex is the controller of chice in the US and I am always hearing from fellow reefers about how "great" it is. I just shake my head... the fools!
 
GHL has always been a hardware company, building bullet proof products. Yes they may trail a bit with interfaces but I would rather have a lamp I know wont go wrong on me or if it did not have to worry about sending it in for service.

In over 2 years of production and sales into North America we have never seen a single mitras requiring FULL replacement. Had 1 dodgy screen in goodness knows how many units, and one LED single bulb go down. Thats it!! Thats impressive.

Good example away from this industry - some lesser brand cars fill their cars with all the latest toys to boost sales, but it needs servicing every 4,000miles. Then there is Audi, rock solid, many innovations ok may not be able to hook it up to Google maps just yet, but it only needs servicing every 18,000miles and pretty much be assured its not going to breakdown.

Guess what I drive?
 
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But its not lacking in how you interact, even Jake from Reef builders told me he thinks the software is the best he has come across.

Currently there are APPS, yes they are still being developed, but to be honest I personally never play with my lamp, I set and tuned the lamp from the start and have barely touched it since I really dont need to be walking down the road running the risk of walking into a lamp post while tweaking my 12noon spectral value ;)

But as I said im a hardware guy. ;)
 
I just want to add one other very important point.

Apps etc for lamps are counter productive to your system, they give you great access to "play" with your lamps. This on a marine biology point of view is a very BAD thing.

Everytime you play with the lamps output in any way the corals have to re adjust to that, they are a living thing as we all know. Keep changing its habitat and you will stress it.

Lamps have become techno toys for tanks. Its one area i truly believe should be left alone. why anyone would need to change their lamps settings while out is beyond me personally. I understand wireless interfacing and browser based control so there is no restriction on platform or what sofa you sit on while changing the settings, but I really am lost to why you need access away from home.

What should be more important is knowing that lamp will still be working when you get home, which of course with GHL that is never a worry.

But I am not ignoring the fact that users do want all the bling and GHL will deliver that, they just put hardware delvelopment first before the toys ;)
 
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Being a computer boob, I'm not going to comment.
I've gotten to know the software and when it works, which for me, is95% of the time, I can't complain.. But when it doesn't work, there's nothing I can do..
I'd love to not have to break out the laptop and the cables to tweak my schedule or light composition but I guess it's not the end of the world..

I have a technical question:
What % of full power do the Mitras provide when set at 100% in High Efficiency mode?
 
But its not lacking in how you interact, even Jake from Reef builders told me he thinks the software is the best he has come across.

Currently there are APPS, yes they are still being developed, but to be honest I personally never play with my lamp, I set and tuned the lamp from the start and have barely touched it since I really dont need to be walking down the road running the risk of walking into a lamp post while tweaking my 12noon spectral value ;)

But as I said im a hardware guy. ;)

I think you are confusing "usefulness" for "usability". Yes, we can do everything we need to with the current software, but the UX/UI is poorly put together.
Case in point, the Light Composer. Why are the light sources taking up all that space in the interface. The only real function that serves the user is to re-order the lights. That entire panel could be put in a modal window and called with a small button. This would leave room for a larger illumination run panel.
And while I am talking about that... why is the application size locked? I have a big screen with room enough for a larger interface. Make the layout dynamic so I have room to breathe.
I would even like it if I could have modal panels for different sections so I could copy times from different events or just see them side by side.
Want to set a timer? Find the "Timer" section. It is called Timer in one part of the program and Processes in another. That is a big UI/UX no-no.
Pumps? Two different places, because the Vortech is a pump you should have them all in one section labeled pumps rather than having a Vortech section and burying the other pump controls in "Extras". If anything belongs in the Extras section it is the Profilux Touch... and why is the Display settings NOT in the Touch section?
These are all examples of what I mean by usability.

Control Center has the look of a program coded in Visual Basic in the 90's. It's not about bling, it's about making an interface that is highly functional and usable. In this respect I think they are killing it with the new Apex interface.

I would never give up my GHL gear for anything else, I just want it to be better. And you can't separate the software from the hardware because without one the other is less.
 
Anyone have their Mitras get stuck at a certain point in the lighting schedule? I have 3 units and have had slave 2 get stuck twice and the master once. Unplugged the ballast each time, counted to ten, then plugged back in, and the lights work fine again. All this has happened in the last 30 days.
 
Do any of you guys use the cloud simulation, I had this running ok untill I fitted the wireless card, now with the new software I can't get it running at all.
 
Do any of you guys use the cloud simulation, I had this running ok untill I fitted the wireless card, now with the new software I can't get it running at all.

Ditto, also my moon simulation seems to have become an on-off proposition since adding the wireless card
 
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