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[ch0ii]

ei mr.waterkeeper.. hi.. according to your methods, can i just quarantine my fish on a hospital tank without copper? but just hyposaline ocean water? (ocean water + distilled water) for six weeks? while changing 20 percent of water everyday? can add some filters on the overhead filter box? and skimmers on it? thank you...

-choy

 

[newbieruss]

so here is a question. couldnt all fish be carriers without even showing symptoms? and if so even after a fish is quaranteened and introduced after this time the ick could still be hosting on the said fish. should i copper treat or hypo treat all new additions?

 

[Aquarist007]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14282622#post14282622 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by newbieruss
so here is a question. couldnt all fish be carriers without even showing symptoms? and if so even after a fish is quaranteened and introduced after this time the ick could still be hosting on the said fish. should i copper treat or hypo treat all new additions?

yes all fish can be carriers--this is why some reefers do treat all fish in the qt regardless if they see it or not.

 

[Aquarist007]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14269586#post14269586 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ch0ii
ei mr.waterkeeper.. hi.. according to your methods, can i just quarantine my fish on a hospital tank without copper? but just hyposaline ocean water? (ocean water + distilled water) for six weeks? while changing 20 percent of water everyday? can add some filters on the overhead filter box? and skimmers on it? thank you...

-choy

you can treat with hyposalination
or copper
or both.

For hyposalination to be effective you must bring the salinity down to 1.009. I would really recommend using a refractometer for accuracy.

 

[newbieruss]

capn,
so what is the best way to treat a powder brown tang? i have a spotted sweet lip, an ocellaris clown, two scotts damsels and a mandarin. also if hypo salinity is the best way would a digital salinity pen be accurate enough?


and to get this right, i should treat all new additions as if they had ick and treat accordingly?

 

[XXXMONKXXX]

i have had really good luck with Garlic in there food.......and a good diet........they usually can come out of it....or i been lucky....lol

 

[Aquarist007]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14284882#post14284882 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by newbieruss
capn,
so what is the best way to treat a powder brown tang? i have a spotted sweet lip, an ocellaris clown, two scotts damsels and a mandarin. also if hypo salinity is the best way would a digital salinity pen be accurate enough?


and to get this right, i should treat all new additions as if they had ick and treat accordingly?

Is the powder brown tang new---assuming that--is it in a separate quarantine tank away from the other fish?

a digital salinity pen would be fine to use.

If you go to my captn's log book blog you will se an blog on how to hyposalinate.

 

[Aquarist007]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14287192#post14287192 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by XXXMONKXXX
i have had really good luck with Garlic in there food.......and a good diet........they usually can come out of it....or i been lucky....lol

there is alot of anecdotal evidence that using garlic guard in moderation can, over time, increase the immune systems in fish. This does not prevent ich but helps them "come out of it" safely as you stated.

 

[Aquarist007]

I should add that with qt'ing all new fish I have never had an outbreak of ich in the display tank.

IMO the qt'ing of all new fish and possibly treating them before they enter the display tank is probably your best bet.

 

[Aquarist007]

I should add that with qt'ing all new fish I have never had an outbreak of ich in the display tank.

IMO the qt'ing of all new fish and possibly treating them before they enter the display tank is probably your best bet.

 

[newbieruss]

capn,
again so im clear. you do the hyposalinity to all your new additions?
and no the tang in question is not in quaranteen yet. he is doing remarkably well so far. only a week though. but he eats like a savage. sea weed, mysis, frozen formula two, brine.

 

[Aquarist007]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14291084#post14291084 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by newbieruss
capn,
again so im clear. you do the hyposalinity to all your new additions?
and no the tang in question is not in quaranteen yet. he is doing remarkably well so far. only a week though. but he eats like a savage. sea weed, mysis, frozen formula two, brine.

I observe the fish in quarantine for 4 weeks---if I see no visible signs of ich by then I do not treat with hyposalination

If ich develops then the treatment starts from that point.

If your brown tang is already in the display tank--then lets hope it doesn't develop ich--otherwise you are faced with treating all fish in the display tank and leaving the display tank fishless for 6 weeks.

 

[ch0ii]

i must have known this earlier.. now my imperator is suffering.. all i can do is bath it, put some garlics on its food and still it survives... but its still there... aww...

 

[ch0ii]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14283768#post14283768 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by capn_hylinur
you can treat with hyposalination
or copper
or both.

For hyposalination to be effective you must bring the salinity down to 1.009. I would really recommend using a refractometer for accuracy.

thank you sir... again can i ask... can i put some filter on my quarantine/hospital tank? how many fish can a 20 gallon aquarium have? for hyposalination, ill use glass floating hydrometer... hope its accurate...

 

[Aquarist007]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14300258#post14300258 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ch0ii
thank you sir... again can i ask... can i put some filter on my quarantine/hospital tank? how many fish can a 20 gallon aquarium have? for hyposalination, ill use glass floating hydrometer... hope its accurate...

setup up a hang on the side filter on your display tank for 3-5 days. Then transfer it over to your quarantine tank---this will be seeded with enough bacteria to keep the ammonia down.

you can also add a piece of live rock from your established tank--hyposalination will not destroy the bacteria on it

use water from your tank to fill your qt tank

maximum two fish in the qt tank.

keep an eye on the ammonia levels and be prepared to do a water change if they rise.

 

[Aquarist007]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14300258#post14300258 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ch0ii
thank you sir... again can i ask... can i put some filter on my quarantine/hospital tank? how many fish can a 20 gallon aquarium have? for hyposalination, ill use glass floating hydrometer... hope its accurate...

I would recommend that you purchase a refractometer before treating your fish with hyposalination.
The salinity level has to be maintained at 1.009. Any higher the treatment might not kill off all the ich
Below 1.009 will cause major distress to the fish as their internal osmotic concentration is 1.008

Here is some information on refractometers:

http://www.reefcentral.com/wp/?p=265

 

[ch0ii]

uhmm... if two fishes only then i should have many qt tanks... cause i have 8 fishes in the display tank.. how do i watch for ammonia rise? this site is very helpful specially with u sir... thanks..

 

[Aquarist007]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14307745#post14307745 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ch0ii
uhmm... if two fishes only then i should have many qt tanks... cause i have 8 fishes in the display tank.. how do i watch for ammonia rise? this site is very helpful specially with u sir... thanks..

you can get a test kit for it or use one of these:

http://www.reefcentral.com/wp/?p=311

what are the fish you have and their approximate sizes?

 

[jenglish]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14307745#post14307745 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ch0ii
uhmm... if two fishes only then i should have many qt tanks... cause i have 8 fishes in the display tank.. how do i watch for ammonia rise? this site is very helpful specially with u sir... thanks..

We sometimes interchangably use the terms QT and HT (hospital tank) Technically the QT only needs to be big enough for whatever new fish you are getting. So if you are buying small fish one at a time you would need only a single small tank. To treat in a HT you need either a big enough tank for all of them or individual tanks. If they all have ich it doesn't really matter too much that they are all in the same larger HT.

HTH

 

[ch0ii]

oh.. that's it... uhmm.. thanks jeremy.. i think i ned a hospital tank... a tertiary hospital with ICU and ambulance..=)