Hawaii passes aquarium fish collection limits

[KafudaFish]

Well that's one of those gray areas again. You have families on a list for 2-3 generations that have not received any land yet. Then you have some that where given land with no water or it cost X amount of thousands to have water pipes put in. Then they are families who are born and raised / work /go to school on one side of the island and are given land on the other side of the island with no resources to move / build housing and change jobs. It's pretty much a mess.
That's not even the sovereign rights I'm talking about. I'm referring to Kanakmoli and similar nations who have there own driver's license and license plates who run around on a whole other set of rules (which all fall in that "gray" area again).
Hawaiians had a chance to go the native American way the reservation etc.. They not as a whole decided not to go that route. One of the reasons being Hawaii was illegal taken from its people. With a promise from the US gov. That things would be made right and Hawaiians are still waiting on that promise. And all of the said groups can not agree on what should be done. So you have this huge stalemate..

So what you are telling us is that families are given free land yet they are expected to pay for the utilities to be installed on site just like the rest of the United States?

You do realize that if people want city water etc. on the mainland they have to pay for it themselves or they run on well water?

Also most people commute to work on a daily basis thus why there is urban sprawl.
This trend has been in place since WWII:

1930s - 1940s people lived and worked on the farm
1950s people left the farms and worked and lived in the cities.
1970s people worked in the cities but lived in suburbia.
2000s people are now returning to the cities to do both.

Honestly somewhere around 70-75% of the US population lives on 3% of the land. Guess where the majority of that land is situated?

Correct, next to water.

Guess what the common theme is regarding the environment and people?

Correct again. Regardless of location, race, or socioeconomic status in general people are clueless like Bill stated above.

It is funny that you state we and you like we are different but are we?

Finally not everyone is like Snorkel Bob.

 

[trae]

Our Oceans

Our Oceans

IMO everyone needs to be educated on the ocean, not just Hawaiians or tourists to Hawaii, but everyone everywhere. Our oceans are just too important not to

Thats a broad, but interesting statement Billsreef. The fact is, there are many research facilities within Hawaii that very much so do just that. But again, I believe some people here comment as if someone needs to "show us the light" or whatever the case may be when half of the people here are worried more about what fish will be allowed collection for export from Hawaii. Are we still discussing the benefits of a Marine sanctuary or now education levels? I for one will not stand by and listen to couch opinion after the countless hours I spend every weekend picking trash out of coral reefs at Sharks cove or the work that we do at Koneohe on a daily basis to make sure we have a reef to explore tommorow. I agree, everyone everywhere needs to be aware.

 

[saltwater808]

So what you are telling us is that families are given free land yet they are expected to pay for the utilities to be installed on site just like the rest of the United States?

You do realize that if people want city water etc. on the mainland they have to pay for it themselves or they run on well water?

Also most people commute to work on a daily basis thus why there is urban sprawl.
This trend has been in place since WWII:

1930s - 1940s people lived and worked on the farm
1950s people left the farms and worked and lived in the cities.
1970s people worked in the cities but lived in suburbia.
2000s people are now returning to the cities to do both.

Honestly somewhere around 70-75% of the US population lives on 3% of the land. Guess where the majority of that land is situated?

Correct, next to water.

Guess what the common theme is regarding the environment and people?

Correct again. Regardless of location, race, or socioeconomic status in general people are clueless like Bill stated above.

It is funny that you state we and you like we are different but are we?

Finally not everyone is like Snorkel Bob.

Oh? Ok. Problem solved then we'll just drill for well water. lol..

We are different we live here and deal with problems in a real life everyday world. While you sit there and tell is how we should do it. With no real understanding of what your talking about. There is a culture here that is like no other place in the world.

 

[KafudaFish]

Oh? Ok. Problem solved then we'll just drill for well water. lol..

We are different we live here and deal with problems in a real life everyday world. While you sit there and tell is how we should do it. With no real understanding of what your talking about. There is a culture here that is like no other place in the world.

:debi:

I had a reply all typed out for you but then I realized that it too would be taken as an "œoutsider's point of view" therefore it must be wrong and should be ignored.

Would you listen to me if I told you I have family in Hawaii since 1971, my aunt is native, and my cousins' spouses' families are all native?

Probably not since they don't share the same mentality as you right?





Trae I applaud your efforts and understand the frustration you have every time you go pick up after others. No matter where you go it is obvious that educating the masses has failed time and time again.


Does this look familiar?



Sadly 7 of the 9 bags of trash were removed from a single location at the mouth of a small creek during my lunch break today.

 

[saltwater808]

Look I just can't stand here why you blame people of Hawaii for the oceans problems. Mass development along coastal areas is a huge problem. Run off of 10-15 miles of developed land in to the ocean everytime it rains (it rains everyday) is a huge concern.
stopping families camping on the beach for the weekend is not going fix the problem. Huge business on the ocean needs much more regulation. That's all I'm saying.

On Kauai we banned plastics shopping bags. They are illegal.... We try to make a differance...

 

[KafudaFish]

1. What are you going to do? Sit down?
2. Of course I am blaming the people of Hawaii and anyone who visits for the ocean's problems just like I blame myself and the fine citizens from Illinois for the dead zone in the Gulf of Mexico and all those Miami citizens on the impacts to the Carribbean and the Everglades.
3. There isn't a distinction between a native camping on the beach and eating a tang, or one going into an aquarium, or when stormwater runoff impacts the reef and a tang dies in the ocean because dead is dead.

Everything we do has an impact and I could make the argument that between the two of us you have a greater negative impact on Hawaii's marine ecosystem than I do.

I am sorry that you feel like you are talking to the enemy but that is further from the truth than you know.

Good luck with your fight and I hope that you win.

 

[saltwater808]

1.

Everything we do has an impact and I could make the argument that between the two of us you have a greater negative impact on Hawaii's marine ecosystem than I do.

Ok guy. Next time your at lydgate park first saturday of every month to help clean marine debris from Japan call me up I'll buy you lunch.

 

[billsreef]

Thats a broad, but interesting statement Billsreef. The fact is, there are many research facilities within Hawaii that very much so do just that. But again, I believe some people here comment as if someone needs to "show us the light" or whatever the case may be when half of the people here are worried more about what fish will be allowed collection for export from Hawaii. Are we still discussing the benefits of a Marine sanctuary or now education levels? I for one will not stand by and listen to couch opinion after the countless hours I spend every weekend picking trash out of coral reefs at Sharks cove or the work that we do at Koneohe on a daily basis to make sure we have a reef to explore tommorow. I agree, everyone everywhere needs to be aware.

Having worked for some marine research facilities, and currently working for one, I know those same issues face the coast everywhere While there are indeed some here that are opining from the "couch", some of us actually are opining from a standpoint of both a formal education in the subject along with hands on experience Sadly I've seen not only piles of garbage on the shoreline, but far out to sea It comes from everywhere. Sometimes from people that should know better, sometimes from "citidiots". Those of us with the knowledge and dedication should do the best we can to spread that to others and do what we can to save our respective sections of the oceans as well as globally. Maybe eventually we'll get through to the clueless and have less garbage to pick up from our beaches.

 

[billsreef]

Mass development along coastal areas is a huge problem. Run off of 10-15 miles of developed land in to the ocean everytime it rains (it rains everyday) is a huge concern.
stopping families camping on the beach for the weekend is not going fix the problem. Huge business on the ocean needs much more regulation. That's all I'm saying.

Agreed.

On Kauai we banned plastics shopping bags. They are illegal.... We try to make a differance...

Excellent. Wish more places would do that, along with banning plastic bottles. It's rare I take a class out on the boat and don't end up retrieving some plastic garbage in the nets

 

[trae]

Wow

Wow

:debi:

I had a reply all typed out for you but then I realized that it too would be taken as an "œoutsider's point of view" therefore it must be wrong and should be ignored.

Would you listen to me if I told you I have family in Hawaii since 1971, my aunt is native, and my cousins' spouses' families are all native?

Probably not since they don't share the same mentality as you right?





Trae I applaud your efforts and understand the frustration you have every time you go pick up after others. No matter where you go it is obvious that educating the masses has failed time and time again.


Does this look familiar?



Sadly 7 of the 9 bags of trash were removed from a single location at the mouth of a small creek during my lunch break today.

This picture sums up my frustration, Its like working backwards. Fresh water drains back to the ocean. No matter what studies/solutions we propose or who we blame, it ultimately comes down to trash and poisons. Sorry If I have posted too much but the sea that we once knew is almost gone. How could we destroy something so peaceful for a lousy dollar?

 

[trae]

Ditto

Ditto

Having worked for some marine research facilities, and currently working for one, I know those same issues face the coast everywhere While there are indeed some here that are opining from the "couch", some of us actually are opining from a standpoint of both a formal education in the subject along with hands on experience Sadly I've seen not only piles of garbage on the shoreline, but far out to sea It comes from everywhere. Sometimes from people that should know better, sometimes from "citidiots". Those of us with the knowledge and dedication should do the best we can to spread that to others and do what we can to save our respective sections of the oceans as well as globally. Maybe eventually we'll get through to the clueless and have less garbage to pick up from our beaches.

-Agreed Sir, the Pacific region is lucky to have you.:beer:

 

[Chronicj7]

I have my DAR collection card in Hawaii as I just moved from there. This looks like it only applies to the Kona coast. Interested to see how they regulate it. Whether it Kona side only, Island wide or State wide.

 

[Maivortex]

They are not trying to regulate the people you saw on the beach that night, those people have been camping there for 100's of years. The laws are trying to regulate people like you. Who come to my islands think you know better talk cheap then leave.

Locals don't join reef clubs??? Really? What are you talking about?

Exactly my point about reef clubs . They are made up of uniformed people (mostly people new to the area) that have no idea of what is right are wrong for the ocean. The sad fact is that these same people are influencing the laws being made.
As far as " this is my land " "my ocean" sovereignty BS, unless you are hawaiian than you are the haole foreigner since Hawaii is an American state. Americans are the locals and anyone else who is not Hawaiian are the haoles. So stop killng MY American ocean!

 

[usmc121581]

Ok guy. Next time your at lydgate park first saturday of every month to help clean marine debris from Japan call me up I'll buy you lunch.

You cant even bring this up its happening in canada and on the west coast of the US. Not to mention in the other direction. So to bring this point up is pointless. Go visit another country besides something owned by the US its clean. For instance Nova Scotia no trash to be found on the streets or in the waters. Japan was nothing before an act of mother nature caused it.