Hundreds of East African Rose BTA's at Tropical Paradise

[got chow]

Did I call someone a liar? It was posted that Eddy was told that it was from East Africa or did he assume since there was East African Newspapers in the box that it was from East Africa?

From what I know, the clue that it was from Africa was from the newspapers. But since you are so well versed and assured that they are NOT from Africa, please enlighten us on where they are from. Or if not, just tell us how and why you know they are not from Africa.

I'm still awaiting your response from my post right before this... Where did you mean by "there" then??? Sounds like you know better than all of us the origin of these anemones, which is great. And especially since this forum is a place to share information, it would be even better if you could share that information then.

 

[spanker]

He and Dale were told by the supplier they worked this deal out with that they were from East Africa. Did you just make assumptions that he assumed that because there were newspapers from East Africa that they came from there??? Honestly, I've asked Eddy where a few items in his store come from and he has either given me an answer, or gone and looked it up because he wasn't positive. If you don't think they came from East Africa, that's fine, I honestly don't care. I still can't wait for my tank to be mature enough to get one.

As to the reason other LFS in the bay area have them, easy answer. Dale sold them to them.

Ever order corals from Fiji? Guess what kinda newspaper they put in the bottom of the bags to form a cup....

 

[crystalball]

talk about your flame bait...I have argued with a woman and gleemed more from the debate!, are you really that lame to think that if you dont give the location away no one can whord in on the supplier? none of us buy wholesale! boxes of fish come into LPS every day, none of us read the box to buy from a supplier... nobody cares...eddie has nothing to gain by hiding the origination of the roses, nor would he.. so yess you are calling him a lier, and for what...you propose that this is a forum to gain infromation...duh....got any...so far ..you have said nothing of value...you have not added any information to the origin... if you have nothing between those ears...dont open your mouth and express how clueless you are!

 

[spanker]

Yea Nick, I think I'm gonna bow out of this one now as I see nothing of value in it.

 

[reefer on a budget]

nothing more amusing than watching reefers getting riled up over rose anemone origins.

:lol:

lets just settle this now and just say they're e.quads from the ocean.

 

[Thales]

The reason there is so much misdirection is because these roses are from Iraq. The latin is Saddamones Quadracolor.

 

[jan_dman]

This is getting really out of hand. Just because someone recycles/reuses the boxes/packaging does not mean it came from the area. So if TP uses Indonesia boxes to ship out Red Sea Fish to their customer, does that mean the fish came from Indonesia?

Do your homework. East Africa does not have Rose Anemones. It's like saying I caught a Yellow Tang out in the Bay. Sure, it's still saltwater but it's virtually impossible.

Eddy was never told by the wholesaler that the Roses were from East Africa. Dale and Eddy never got on the deal together. Dale was the one in the driver's seat all the way and was going to bring in the same amount no matter what to distribute to other wholesalers/LFS in the entire U.S. Eddy was offered the opportunity because of their past relationship to get as many as he wanted. Eddy wanted to have them for his online store so he worked out a deal for 400+. All the other LFS are waiting for more from Dale.

Many of you know Dale too so you can ask him to see if he knows the location or if he ever discussed it with Eddy. This whole thread started from assumptions.

 

[D-Nak]

I've been following this thread as it seems quite interesting and entertaining. I decided to "do my homework" as suggested to find the origins of Entacmaea quadricolor but I need one piece of information -- does anyone know the latin name of the specific sub-specie that describes the "Rose" anemone?

Jan, you seem positive that Rose anemones DO NOT come from East Africa. Are you sure that there may not be at least one sub-specie that does? I'd like to find a definite answer as I think it may help to end this debate.

Based on my research so far, there is a lot of documentation that shows that E. quadicolor (not the rose anemone per se) IS abundant in east Africa, and even more so in north eastern Africa (Eqypt, Sudan, Eritrea, etc.). We all know that the Red Sea borders these countries and what type of marine life is endemic to that area.

Allard's Anemonefish (Amphiprion allardi) has been collected in Kenya (now to me, Kenya is as "east Africa" as one can get) and its host anemone is E. quadicolor. Here's the article: http://biodiversity.uno.edu/ebooks/ch2.html

E. quadricolor is also found in The Seychelles, an island chain off the coast of (you guessed it) east Africa. Article here.

On another note, Eddie is a great guy and I don't think he'd intentially mislead anyone. I think Eddie made the huge purchase not only to boost the online business (he is, of course, in business to make money) but also to allow more people to acquire something that was once considered rare. Thanks for the clarification Brian (I'm still willing to help you build your canopy if you want, since I haven't set up my tank yet. Remember the canopy with the flip up top? )

Thanks,

D-Nak

 

[jeffix]

Guys,


I'm glad that I've reply this topic because I can see many people are debating for where the Roses from. It seems that what people judge the origin by "the box" and "the newspapers inside". Umm~~~ If thats the case, then I'll explain why I said you can never imagine where it's from.
At the time every store got Roses out there I went to everything fishie and they were opening the box of Roses, the box wrote "life stock from Indonisia" but the newspaper inside was from East Africa! The most confused thing is that the airline label was missing. So if thats what Eddie said it's from East Africa, why people bother to cut out the airline label? The only thing I can imagine is that the person who imported wanted to hide for his own privacy.
According to business, if I got something special to put in the market to make big money, are you going to tell everyone that where it from so when the news goes to other importer they'll try to get the same thing and beat the price of each other, right? So at last it'll end up like ads from one retail store (can't remember) everyday low price! For short term situation the most benefit party are consumers like us but for long term it's not,why?
Imagine one day all wholesaler complete to certain situation that they have to drop it to their cost for complete with others, do you think they'll still import something that they won't make money? So is that good enough to explain that no one tells or knows where it from?

 

[73ChargerFan]

The reason there is so much misdirection is because these roses are from Iraq.

I was thinking the same thing.

 

[barebottoms]

So is that good enough to explain that no one tells or knows where it from?

Not really because of these statement:

I know it's from somewhere else they you can never believe.

they told me it's from a wholesaler in Bat Area but not TP!

<-- My personal favorite because your theory here is that it should be named after the origins of the wholesaler.

Then the story changes to:

I'll explain why I said you can never imagine where it's from.
At the time every store got Roses out there I went to everything fishie and they were opening the box of Roses, the box wrote "life stock from Indonisia" but the newspaper inside was from East Africa!

Which not only changes stores from your first 2 comments, but its just a restatement of Brian said was Eddy's reason for thinking it was from Africa.

At the time every store got Roses

There is no way your claim of now supposedly seeing the roses at Everything Fish now with an Indo box and African newspapers jive

1. Eddy and Dale spent all night unpacking them because they did not look so good from the shipment and Dales drive up. I know for a FACT they did not make it up into the Bay Area until after 11 pm, because I was waiting to see them.

2. First you said,

I know it's from somewhere else they you can never believe.

now you claim

I went to everything fishie and they were opening the box of Roses, the box wrote "life stock from Indonisia" but the newspaper inside was from East Africa!

Now if you saw this East African Newspaper, why was it so impossible to believe it might have been from Africa in the first place? Given your "facts" Indo is not so unbelievable, Africa is not the typical collection point. But you said

it's from somewhere else they you can never believe

Which I can not figure out why is so unbelievable given your "facts" and you were so sure it was not from Africa.

 

[chipmunk]

I'm going with the Iraq theory.

These roses are Weapons of Mass Discussion here.

 

[got chow]

Thanks for the clarification Brian (I'm still willing to help you build your canopy if you want, since I haven't set up my tank yet. Remember the canopy with the flip up top? )

Thanks,

D-Nak

DOOOOOD it's been a while! You still haven't setup your tank yet?!?!?! :eek1::eek2: Don't worry about the canopy though, I built me a ghetto one since I ended up going with a full hood instead of a retro kit. Man you need to stop researching and get your tank up and running!!!

 

[jeffix]

I don't think the box can tell where it came from because all stores have different boxes. I think the wholesaler said he has his own coral collecting station in Bali. I buy from Great bay when the wholesaler used to own the store and I saw him one time making delivery so I asked him about roses. He said he has his own station to collect them.

 

[got chow]

I think the wholesaler said he has his own coral collecting station in Bali.

Dale is a wholesaler, not a collector. He does not have his own coral collecting station in Bali. He has a contact... I've seen his pricelists for them at his place. There are VERY few authorized collectors in the Bali area from what I have heard from various BA wholesalers (I can't confirm this though), and most of the Bali shipments come from the same few collectors.

I buy from Great bay when the wholesaler used to own the store and I saw him one time making delivery so I asked him about roses. He said he has his own station to collect them.

Again, Dale does not have his own collecting station but he does have connections to get good stuff... like 400+ rose anemones at a time.

 

[o3]

The only reason I posted was to clarify the origin, so people would not think that this rose was rare. The green body does not even stay!

Wholesalers also recycle boxes and packing material to cut cost.

 

[got chow]

The green body does not even stay!

Some do, some don't. I'm sure a lot of it depends on lighting / water too. I still see some with the greenish tint, but I've also seen some without. Under actinics you can see the green very well.

Wholesalers also recycle boxes and packing material to cut cost.

Trust me that Dale did not unpack 400+ anemones just to repack them after the trans ship. Eddy and Dale picked up the shipment at the same time, the anemones were not repacked by the wholesaler.

The only reason I posted was to clarify the origin, so people would not think that this rose was rare.

So clarify then because apparently you know exactly where they came from. Enlighten us, please.

 

[BoomerD]

These roses are Weapons of Mass Discussion here.

Omygod! Now Dubya's gonna send the Marines into T.P.!! Quick, get out the duct tape & plastic sheeting! :lol:
Maybe I'll get to see my son who's been in Kuwait since Feb.

 

[jeffix]

Barebottoms said Dale drove the shipment up and Eddy and Dale unpacked and he knows that for sure.

Now Got Chow said Dale and Eddy picked up the shipment at the same time.

Which is true?

 

[chipmunk]

The green body does not even stay!

Mine are still green.

If I can figure out how to resize photos so they don't exceed the RC limit, I'll post a shot.