Hundreds of East African Rose BTA's at Tropical Paradise
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It is not professional to say the location so I do not expect the wholesaler or LFS to disclose it even if they knew it but East Africa is just absurd, it's like saying they are from Mars. I am not sure where or who made the East Africa location up but everyone can believe what they want.
The fact is that it was not brought in by TP but a local wholesaler, owned by the previous owner of Great Bay. TP got them in at the best price because of quantity but 6th Ave. sold them the cheapest. Assuming it is from East Africa or Mars, it wouldn't matter as it is still a Rose Anemone.
The reason for starting the East Africa rumor could be to justify the price of it, touting it as "rare" or "more expensive to ship". All the LFS got it from the same place, too as it came from the same wholesaler or East Africa.
Since everyone knows that the shipment was not brought in by TP, then who said it was from East Africa?
The fact is that it was not brought in by TP but a local wholesaler, owned by the previous owner of Great Bay. TP got them in at the best price because of quantity but 6th Ave. sold them the cheapest. Assuming it is from East Africa or Mars, it wouldn't matter as it is still a Rose Anemone.
The reason for starting the East Africa rumor could be to justify the price of it, touting it as "rare" or "more expensive to ship". All the LFS got it from the same place, too as it came from the same wholesaler or East Africa.
Since everyone knows that the shipment was not brought in by TP, then who said it was from East Africa?
dwarfatize
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Why would it not be "professional" to say where they came from.
If it was professional, the East Africa rumor would not have started. We should all just assume the fact, that these are just and still are Rose Anemones. Wherever they're from, it's up to the buyer to believe.
I guess East Africa sounds believable enough and far away to justify the higher cost.
I guess East Africa sounds believable enough and far away to justify the higher cost.
crystalball
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eddy at TP claimed they were from E africa when Morgan was visiting. they are not more expencive, but cheaper, and great bay had the best price. they were (before the large TP shipment) selling for 200.00 for the larger ones, medium by new standards, now they sell the same size for 80.00 - 100.00 for a 8-12 inch rose which were selling closer to 300.00, they are vary hardy, as for being professional about giving location...its vary unprofessional to lie about the origin if this is the case. also the health of a animal should be paramount! if its from a area with differant temp or salinity than that information should be available, some of us reefers (not me) try to keep area specific corals and fish.
reefer on a budget
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to clear things up, i heard eddie himself say the roses were coming from africa even before they arrived.
so there...if anyone is wondering where they're from, its east africa according to eddie, the man myself.
who really cares? the roses are here in the bay area..
so there...if anyone is wondering where they're from, its east africa according to eddie, the man myself.
who really cares? the roses are here in the bay area..
Eddy told me that they were from Africa.
Eddy at no time ever "claimed" that he was the direct importer.
The way I understood Eddy was that Eddy was telling me where the roses originally came from.
I don't care if it went through 20 parties and wholesalers before getting to my tank.
I'm just curious why it's so unbelievable that they came from Africa...and why this mystery location is supposed to defy my belief.
Eddy at no time ever "claimed" that he was the direct importer.
The way I understood Eddy was that Eddy was telling me where the roses originally came from.
I don't care if it went through 20 parties and wholesalers before getting to my tank.
I'm just curious why it's so unbelievable that they came from Africa...and why this mystery location is supposed to defy my belief.
got chow
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To clear things up a bit more... There's a reason why TP believed the anemones were from Africa. The info from the boxes were all ripped off as to not disclose where they came from for some reason. Probably so people wouldn't try to get tranships etc. all the time from them. It wasn't like TP was told they were from Africa, and none of the people who supplied the anemones from the collectors down to the wholesaler, would disclose the origin.
The tip that TP got about the anemones coming from Africa was the newspapers that filled the boxes along with the anemones. Apparently, they were African newspapers, hence, TP figured the anemones came from Africa.
Hope that clears things up a bit.
The tip that TP got about the anemones coming from Africa was the newspapers that filled the boxes along with the anemones. Apparently, they were African newspapers, hence, TP figured the anemones came from Africa.
Hope that clears things up a bit.
barebottoms
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Brian,
Thanks for clearing that up. Does that mean I can rip the "Made In China" label off my anemone now?
Another question for you or the masses. If I follow this thread correctly. In order to do the tranship in the first place, there has to be a certain number ordered right?
So if there wasn't 400+ anemones ordered, the wholesaler might not have been able to get the shipment?
Thus the prices in the Bay Area might not have come down?
Thanks for clearing that up. Does that mean I can rip the "Made In China" label off my anemone now?
Another question for you or the masses. If I follow this thread correctly. In order to do the tranship in the first place, there has to be a certain number ordered right?
So if there wasn't 400+ anemones ordered, the wholesaler might not have been able to get the shipment?
Thus the prices in the Bay Area might not have come down?
TP_Customer
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o3 said:
Put your money where your mouth is. Prove it.
got chow
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barebottoms / o3,
Both of you guys are right I guess... I mean of course you've got to order a certain amount to get a trans ship. If you were the guy out in Africa, or Indonesia, Tonga, or wherever it might be, you are not going to ship 1 box of corals 6000 miles away. If you're the wholesaler why bother ordering 1 box of corals for 1 guy... way too much trouble!
There has to be a certain volume ordered before anyone would logically do a trans ship. Plus, anybody who's going to trans ship and can get good prices will want to get a decent amount of goods in if they're going to spend the money to ship it.
It might very well be that if TP did not order the 400 or however many roses that there may not be this large volume and hence lower pricing. It's hard to say, because somebody else might have picked up that many. Not that many places have the facilities to not only store it, but to keep them alive for an extended period of time. Still, I could imagine a collaboration of LFSs splitting up 400 roses.
On the flip side, I'm sure the wholesaler can hold back the amount to sell as well. I mean if everyone is screaming for Fiji or Bali corals, the wholesaler might not be able to order enough even. Every wholesaler around is going to order trans ships, and the supply of corals from a certain collection just can't meet the demand. During times like that, the wholesaler won't have to worry about a minimum amount... the max amount isn't even enough!
So to cap it all up, both situations can happen... sometimes you've gotta order enough to get a trans ship, but other times enough people get in on it or there's a high demand for something that the trans ship seems "small."
HTH
Both of you guys are right I guess... I mean of course you've got to order a certain amount to get a trans ship. If you were the guy out in Africa, or Indonesia, Tonga, or wherever it might be, you are not going to ship 1 box of corals 6000 miles away. If you're the wholesaler why bother ordering 1 box of corals for 1 guy... way too much trouble!
There has to be a certain volume ordered before anyone would logically do a trans ship. Plus, anybody who's going to trans ship and can get good prices will want to get a decent amount of goods in if they're going to spend the money to ship it.
It might very well be that if TP did not order the 400 or however many roses that there may not be this large volume and hence lower pricing. It's hard to say, because somebody else might have picked up that many. Not that many places have the facilities to not only store it, but to keep them alive for an extended period of time. Still, I could imagine a collaboration of LFSs splitting up 400 roses.
On the flip side, I'm sure the wholesaler can hold back the amount to sell as well. I mean if everyone is screaming for Fiji or Bali corals, the wholesaler might not be able to order enough even. Every wholesaler around is going to order trans ships, and the supply of corals from a certain collection just can't meet the demand. During times like that, the wholesaler won't have to worry about a minimum amount... the max amount isn't even enough!
So to cap it all up, both situations can happen... sometimes you've gotta order enough to get a trans ship, but other times enough people get in on it or there's a high demand for something that the trans ship seems "small."
HTH
got chow
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o3 said:
OK... So first of all explain the African newspapers. I wasn't there when the boxes were opened, but apparently they were African newspapers. Unless they shipped a couple stacks of newspapers just to cover up the location. I mean come on, these are rose anemones and LFSs we're talking about, not classified documents and the white house.
So you are saying that TP didn't have to order 400 roses, because he could have ordered fish from WHERE? You wouldn't mean... East Africa would you?o3 said:
spanker
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o3 said:
You shared nothing. You said they were not from East Africa. Jeff is saying they're not because he saw them at another LFS. So WHAT! Dale brought them in. The supplier told them they were from East Africa. If you have some real "information" share it, but don't call someone a liar and then say 'neener neener, I know something you don't know.' Eddy was told they were from one location, if you have information to the contrary, and can support it, I'm sure Eddy would have no problem investigating and changing his tune if he had real information. Besides, (as someone already pointed out) what does it matter where they came from. Aside from Nicks supposed "regional" tank, what does it matter?
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