Billybeau1
Premium Member
Beautiful baby Claude. :thumbsup:
Starting out in water. She will be a reefer in no time
Starting out in water. She will be a reefer in no time
Interesting attack on Randy's two part
- Thread starter trueperc
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Just because a certain trace or minor element appears in the coral skeleton does not mean it needs to be there. It may be just a way for the coral to harmlessly stash what might otherwise be toxic to it, in my opinion.
Claude, congrads on the new baby, it amazing being a dad. I also wanted to say this is nothing to do with you and I do believe you do provide a good product. I have to say AQD ottawa really has to stop being so aggressive is pushing products, he is the one reason I stop using the ultralith as he just pushed to buy more and more and stated oppossite of your advise, I.E. I noticed in a thread someone nitrates weren't going down and you advised to cut min-s in half, I contact him about being in the same situation and mention your thoughts and he proceed to tell me to add more and his thoughts that I needed to change 50 percent of the media after just two weeks of addition of a new half liter. I know others that have stopped due to his type of support, but this thread is about attacking the DIY two part and again I know this is not you Claude, but lines like this have to stop
AQD_ottawa
"I have seen so many people miss led by others stating fauna balling is like two part, it is not at all and must not be confused with it, two part really is a cheap way of not getting very good results and an unstable system."
Found in this thread
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1728093
To me what should have happened in the canreef thread, is the correction should have been posted.
AQD_ottawa
"I have seen so many people miss led by others stating fauna balling is like two part, it is not at all and must not be confused with it, two part really is a cheap way of not getting very good results and an unstable system."
Found in this thread
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1728093
To me what should have happened in the canreef thread, is the correction should have been posted.
Billybeau1
Premium Member
What exactly do you want to know about trace elements in synthetic salt mixes. Most on the market today provide all of the trace elements you need to keep your tank healthy providing you do regular water changes.
I can see where it might be beneficial to add some trace element supplement if you do not do water changes.
I can see where it might be beneficial to add some trace element supplement if you do not do water changes.
What is the question, exactly?
The basic question on any of these TE is it needed by the coral or is it human wanted need i .e., it makes the coral brighter in color or maybe makes it grow faster and YOU like, want that, does not = Coral needs it. It is like one of my favorites for shrimp. Shrimp need iodine to molt = lets add Iodine to the water for that. The shrimp does not NEED any Iodine added to the water it gets all it needs from food. So, what happens when we get to much Iodine in the water ? It gets adsorbed by the shrimp and gets into its system causing it to molt excessively. You may like this but in the end it KILLS the shrimp. Why is that ? As molting is an expensive process for shrimp or other crustaceans an expends allot of energy to molt. This excessive molting drives the health of the shrimp down until it reaches either a "death" molt or a molt missing body parts. I know, as I use to do this in the olden days. And when said shrimp is finished molting it was a site to see, seeing it trying to move around and feed with no legs or half its legs missing or no "pinchers/claws" to defend itself.
C. Schuhmacher
New member
Hi Boomer
yes you have right it must be clear during a discussion on which we talk
Fact is that corals need some trace elements to grow and to build colors
not all of them are complete clear in all metabolism function today.
It a not a miracle which elements are need for grow and coloration and
not all sea salts have all traces in
In my opinion the most sea salt producer did also not know what all is in and
in the modern reef salt we have much more trace elements in like in NSW
The people want today colorful corals and they like as sample blue light
even that we know that corals did not need blue light
Corals need water like natural seawater and light with the spectrum of the sun
all others is playing
Here you can see what trace elements can do
Coralfrag week one
Adding of one of our Trace Elememt Solutions
that was after 10 days later
then also 10 days later
The light is not changed also no special zooxanthelle reduction
this is only light , very low nutrition and a composition of Trace elements
As sea salt is using Deep Blue and Tropic marine salt but the TM salt makes the corals normaly a little bit darker
Many people like this corals looking like this
in fact in nature it is not to see with this colors or maybe very rare
and the coral really dont need it ;_)
regards claude
yes you have right it must be clear during a discussion on which we talk
Fact is that corals need some trace elements to grow and to build colors
not all of them are complete clear in all metabolism function today.
It a not a miracle which elements are need for grow and coloration and
not all sea salts have all traces in
In my opinion the most sea salt producer did also not know what all is in and
in the modern reef salt we have much more trace elements in like in NSW
The people want today colorful corals and they like as sample blue light
even that we know that corals did not need blue light
Corals need water like natural seawater and light with the spectrum of the sun
all others is playing
Here you can see what trace elements can do
Coralfrag week one
Adding of one of our Trace Elememt Solutions
that was after 10 days later
then also 10 days later
The light is not changed also no special zooxanthelle reduction
this is only light , very low nutrition and a composition of Trace elements
As sea salt is using Deep Blue and Tropic marine salt but the TM salt makes the corals normaly a little bit darker
Many people like this corals looking like this
in fact in nature it is not to see with this colors or maybe very rare
and the coral really dont need it ;_)
regards claude
I think Claude has a list of what does what. Danna Riddle is also working on this also both via light and via TE.
Feature Article: Coral Coloration: Fluorescence (all parts can be found here)
http://www.advancedaquarist.com/200...created&sort_order=normal&Subject=Dana+Riddle
Here he is just starting to look at TE in Part 3
Feature Article: How to Make Corals More Colorful Part 1
http://www.advancedaquarist.com/2009/1/aafeature1
Feature Article: How to Make Corals More Colorful Part 2
http://www.advancedaquarist.com/2009/2/aafeature1
Feature Article: How to Make Corals More Colorful Part 3
http://www.advancedaquarist.com/2009/4/aafeature1
Feature Article: Coral Coloration: Fluorescence (all parts can be found here)
http://www.advancedaquarist.com/200...created&sort_order=normal&Subject=Dana+Riddle
Here he is just starting to look at TE in Part 3
Feature Article: How to Make Corals More Colorful Part 1
http://www.advancedaquarist.com/2009/1/aafeature1
Feature Article: How to Make Corals More Colorful Part 2
http://www.advancedaquarist.com/2009/2/aafeature1
Feature Article: How to Make Corals More Colorful Part 3
http://www.advancedaquarist.com/2009/4/aafeature1
Sorry but I see very little difference in the three photos, other that they wher taking at different angels. The first first one is a close up and the rest are take from a little further away. Also to note the lighting may not have changed but the lighting in the photo has as the each photo gets brighter than the last. In all three to me the colors are the exact same maybe the bumps have a little more coral but still majority is the same. The only way to see a color change is to take the same close up photo like the first one.
luther1200
Premium Member
I agree, there is defintely growth, but the color looks about the same. Just look at the white egg crate and you can see how each picture gets brighter, like the white balance or something is off. Not to say it doesn't really look better, but from those pictures its very hard to tell.
:rollface::rollface::rollface:
jon
Why is it I only find errors after I post. Before I hit the submit button all looks perfect Of course missing a couple of fingers does not help and not slowing down makes it worse. I need to slow down :lol: How many times do you see "form" for "from"
jon
Why is it I only find errors after I post. Before I hit the submit button all looks perfect
Of course missing a couple of fingers does not help and not slowing down makes it worse. I need to slow down :lol: How many times do you see "form" for "from" C. Schuhmacher
New member
HI Trueperc
If you look on the change of the blue parts of the corals you can see exactly the difference
I can also make new pictures especially for you with another coral but i think you can see enough change and that i 3 weeks
We discuss here about the working of different Trace elements and not about any product or maybe some buisness decisions.
Some posting seemed to me have to much personal reasons....
Luther
I did not change the picture by photoshop so to see that the blue parts
changed and get more.
It was only a sample to show how trace elements can work
Here is one of the same corals after 6 weeks
Like you see the dark area´s are gone complete and all is blue now
i can make a new Picture series with another coral if you like....
Hi Boomer
Nobody wants to discuss with you about chemistry the pure fear :lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao: smile
I know that not all what a sceleton fits in is also a need for a coral.
but we did not have only corals with aragonit sceleton in our system and from some elements we still not know 100 % what the biological rule is.
Some tests showed at strontium that se slugs larve need it , some
Octocoralia react very good on SR dosing and a lot of reefers say that corals grow much better and harder if they dose it.
Some tests on mysis showed not one reaction if Sr was there or not.
The problem is also that you find science articles they show that in the areas with higher aragonit density there is less SR in.
I really know that there is a difference between science and empiric feeling
both is important.
I cannot work 100% on a scientist way , every body who tell this did not know how a real scientis has to work , so we work on empiric way and then we try to find out what is happen with sientists help.
so we learn every day more...
If you look on the change of the blue parts of the corals you can see exactly the difference
I can also make new pictures especially for you with another coral but i think you can see enough change and that i 3 weeks
We discuss here about the working of different Trace elements and not about any product or maybe some buisness decisions.
Some posting seemed to me have to much personal reasons....
Luther
I did not change the picture by photoshop so to see that the blue parts
changed and get more.
It was only a sample to show how trace elements can work
Here is one of the same corals after 6 weeks
Like you see the dark area´s are gone complete and all is blue now
i can make a new Picture series with another coral if you like....
Hi Boomer
Nobody wants to discuss with you about chemistry the pure fear :lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao: smile
I know that not all what a sceleton fits in is also a need for a coral.
but we did not have only corals with aragonit sceleton in our system and from some elements we still not know 100 % what the biological rule is.
Some tests showed at strontium that se slugs larve need it , some
Octocoralia react very good on SR dosing and a lot of reefers say that corals grow much better and harder if they dose it.
Some tests on mysis showed not one reaction if Sr was there or not.
The problem is also that you find science articles they show that in the areas with higher aragonit density there is less SR in.
I really know that there is a difference between science and empiric feeling
both is important.
I cannot work 100% on a scientist way , every body who tell this did not know how a real scientis has to work , so we work on empiric way and then we try to find out what is happen with sientists help.
so we learn every day more...
